The Americans are sinking into a quagmire of their own making in Iraq, but still fantasise about re-drawing the map of the whole Middle East more to their liking. One startling example is this map, produced by the Armed Forces Journal, who in their June issue portray a region that is further balkanized, and basically split up along ethnic lines, thus creating a maximalist Kurdistan (which probably would be quite US-friendly, just like the Kurdish areas in northern Iraq at present), a greater Yemen, an Iran that would move eastward (acquiring certain areas of Afghanistan while losing a part of its west to Azerbeijan and an Arab shia state), and so forth.
Not having read the article accompanying the map, I’m guessing this is not so much a proposal as an exercise in thinking out loud. Such a re-drawing would have the whole region – not to mention all Muslim countries – up in arms, possibly quite literally. But it remains an interesting avenue of thought, especially for the disenfranchised peoples who would benefit from such a rearrangement.
Dear Reader;
Pls check the adress
http://www.acikistihbarat.com/gonlumuzdeki-abd.html
for a competition announced in Turkey about redrawing the map of US as a retaliation to USA’s arrogance.
You will find a series of maps produced as a result of creative thinking by the Turks who are sending the message to the US as a challenge…
“Easier drawn, than done”!
Submissions are welcome by the citizens of the world who believe “a redrawn US” is essential to world peace.
Best
Açık İstihbarat
http://www.acikistihbarat.com
Comment by Açık İstihbarat — October 19, 2006 @ 8:35 pm
Thank you Açik. Interesting competition. I will show a selection on this blog, if you don’t mind.
Comment by strangemaps — October 22, 2006 @ 10:04 am
We don’t mind. Feel free to use it as you wish.
Thanks
Açık İstihbarat
Comment by Açık İstihbarat — October 31, 2006 @ 2:11 pm
Well done Acik! I respect the way you approached an issue (Kurdistan) that you are deeply concerned about and most probably very annoyed at in such a humurous and civilised way. Nice maps on your site!
Comment by Anonymous — November 9, 2006 @ 3:45 pm
Fascinating map — maybe there should be a small bit (preferably buried under two kilometres of concrete) labelled “Al Qaeda”.
Comment by DJ — November 11, 2006 @ 5:39 pm
Somebody pointed out to me that the acronyms of some of the proposed states might reveal how the mapmaker feels about the people inhabiting them. For example: ASS (Arab Shia State) and SHIT (Saudi Homelands Independent Territories).
Comment by strangemaps — December 22, 2006 @ 11:16 pm
Wikipedia is the key to most success online, when it comes to collabritive content adding. I have spent many hours writing articles for Jimmy Wales and am very happy with this project. I am based in Seminole FL close to the wikipedia offices in St Petersburg. I love contributing!
Happy New Year Bloggers!
Comment by wikipedia — January 1, 2007 @ 2:50 am
Correction: all Americans do not plot to re-draw the middle-east map. At best, it might be the Bush Administration and its war hawk cronies.
Comment by chris — January 3, 2007 @ 10:13 am
It’s interesting to me that even with all the changes made to the borders of every other country in the region, this proposal doesn’t even try to deal with the final status of Israel/Palestine. That’s one of the biggest sources of conflict in the region, you would think that would be one of the issues they’d try to deal with.
Comment by john — February 27, 2007 @ 10:57 am
@ John:
A very pertinent point you make; and quite possibly another hint at the mapmaker’s non-objectivity, hiding in plain sight.
Comment by strangemaps — February 27, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
You might want to read the article. The map shows without ambiguity that Israel gives up territory and for its own self-interest.
Comment by David Sucher — March 6, 2007 @ 4:11 am
The only arrogance on display is that of this blog’s author and a few commenters, who did not bother to read the accompanying article, yet suppose that it has something to do with a US plan, or at least is the thinking out loud of a US military planner.
http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899
This is hardly about some US grand plan. The US is struggling to hold Iraq together within its European drawn borders. The author of this map attempted to show what the Middle East might look like if the European powers had never drawn the lines themselves. The map is merely a thought experiment and shows how the author thinks the borders might have occurred had they broken down along more logical cultural and religious lines.
One can argue about the borders the author predicts, but this does not reflect any grand plan of the US, which it should be obvious to any thinking person seems to be pursuing a policy of trying to keep Iraq’s current borders, even though that might not be a wise policy in the end result.
Your Turkish friend is upset because part of Turkey is lost to ethnic Kurds in this map. Turkey, Iran, and Iraq have historically repressed the Kurds in the tri-border area. Only after the first gulf war under the protection of American and British and French (for a while) airpower in the 1990s did the Kurds of Northern Iraq start to prosper.
For more about the Kurds of Northern Iraq, you could do a lot worse than to start with the following articles.
http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/001055.html
http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/001066.html
http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/001121.html
Comment by mpbk — March 7, 2007 @ 8:59 am
are comment restricted here?
Comment by John Mennis — March 10, 2007 @ 12:25 am
@ John Mennis:
Nope. Unless it’s spam. Or grossly indecent, inappropriate or just plain nasty.
Comment by strangemaps — March 10, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
dear insane-map-drawer,
free kurdistan? what the hell were you thinking while you’re drawing this? do you even know the population of kurds? or which prices are paid to earn that soil?
a turkish citizen make you eat that “map” just because you’ve drawn this.
as long as you “drink” oil and drive SUV’s instead of normal cars, people die in Iraq. but not in Turkey! hope you sleep comfortable in your bed.
*your black propaganda failed, sucker!
Comment by ata youth — April 7, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
Interesting comments.. :D
Comment by imparare — April 15, 2007 @ 5:59 am
If you had read the acompanying article, you would realize that the author is no friend of the Bush Administration, nor is this proposal anything that would serve American interests over anybody else’s. You jumped to the wrong conclusion.
Comment by Bob Combs — April 30, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
I think the Turks are so upset because the Kurds are not the same people and want their own state.
I believe they are the largest stateless people, or occupied people, in the world right now.
The Kurds are mentioned in Xenophon, and were there for a few thousand years before the Turks reached the area.
Some of the uultra nationalists in turkey seem ubsessed with making the Kurds, who are Indo European live under the Arabs in Iraq. This seems to come from deep seated fear That the Kurds of Turkey (25 million is the number cited) will also wish some autonomy in the parts of Kurdistan that are in Turkey at the moment.
Chris: Correction: all Americans do not plot to re-draw the middle-east map. At best, it might be the Bush Administration and its war hawk cronies.
Chris this has nothing to do with Bush or the war hawks. the war Hawks seem to be the ones aligned with Turkey against the Kurds.
The issue of the Kurds is organic, it has nothing to do with the war per se but is a natural outcome over decades of occupation.
In fact is was the Clinton administration which greatly contributed to Kurdish autonomy in the region.
Comment by Dave — May 23, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
Further comment, along the lines of “John”: I also notice that nothing seems to be done about Kashmir as India isn’t even involved in this.
Comment by Lurker — June 13, 2007 @ 9:53 pm
The map is interesting, but your commentary is laughable.
The map describes a middle east with workable, coherent nation-states rather than the artificial post-colonial mess created post-war.
I think your political view is blinding you to reality a bit. The standard anti-american conspiracy theory would be that they’d want to maintain the current ‘broken’ system of weak states that are easily dominated.
Comment by commenter — June 14, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
[MAPA] Como desearía Estados Unidos que fuese Oriente Medio
[MAPA] Como desearía Estados Unidos que fuese Oriente Medio Rediseñando Oriente Medio.
Trackback by meneame.net — June 15, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
Commenter,
How about the roaring success of all those earlier partitions? What makes you think this alternative is workable?
Comment by sm — June 20, 2007 @ 9:18 pm
Turks getting upset about losing territory to the peoples they oppress? Didnt see that coming. Just because the map was produced in the U.S. doesnt mean this is our attempt at destroying or completely restructuring the politics of the middle east. This map is a guess of what a non-partitioned non-colonialized middleast wouldve looked like. Nations along ethnic and religious lines, kindof like how most countries in the world are structured.
Comment by Argo — June 21, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
Hey! Why is Chicago almost always still in purview of Bush? We Can’t Stand the bastard! Liberate us too, Canada.
Comment by The Person Commenting — June 27, 2007 @ 1:57 am
What about the poor Armenians? This map still confines them to the tiny territory of the former USSR “republic”. Ethnic Armenians, not Kurds, comprise the majority of the population in the whole northern half of this map’s “Free Kurdistan”. As the Armenians are Christian and the Kurds are Moslem, the mapmaker is certainly not “anti-Moslem”, in fact he is anti-Christian.
Comment by ronk — July 3, 2007 @ 1:11 am
Dear Muzzies:
Draw away your dreams! You had your chance and got split up badly in 1918, Johnny Turk!
The USA is simple. Above the Mason-Dixon line, the terrritory where Muslim traitors are shot. Below it, where they are hung.
Comment by Cappy — July 3, 2007 @ 1:42 am
Some of the comments in here are embarassing. This map is one guy’s hypothetical of what the Middle East might have looked like if not for previous Western intervention. That’s all. For all we know, a Middle East drawn up this way might well function a lot better than the current one.
By the way, what is so “insane” about an independent Kurdistan? Why do the Kurds not seem to have the rights of self-determination that other nations do?
Comment by jm — July 10, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
This map is a more logical structuring of the middle east based on *existing* cultural boundaries that go unrecognized or are suppressed by current national boundaries. This is not some neoconservative fancy but a competent delineation of anthropological reality on the ground. The only arrogance and ignorance in these comments seems to be coming from the Turks and other anti-Americans; the most sensible comments from Americans who have actually read the article.
Comment by Mat K — July 13, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
As a Baloch I support this redrawn map.
Comment by Maqbool Aliani — July 16, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
I was in a university in Dohuk (Kurdistan, Iraq) and a student had printed this out and they framed it and put it up in one of the lecture halls….
Comment by Ben — August 4, 2007 @ 3:03 am
This is a fascinating map; kudos to the think-tanker who drew it.
I’m forever boggled by the nationalism that springs forth by Arab countrymen whose borders were drawn by white people in the last hundred years. I think this map shows an impressive and appropriate compromise that protects the interests of ethnic groups over local political and resource interests. (And an independent Islamic Sacred State that protects Mecca and Medina is long overdue.)
The irony of the obviously bitter “retaliatory” map redraw from that Turkish website is that the United States COULD stand a redraw. Not that we kill each other over our ethnic differences with such frequency, but speaking as someone who lives in Northern Virginia, we identify far more with Washington D.C. than the rest of the state. I’m sure there are other disparate groups throughout the country. Maybe someone in Turkey can put aside their self-interested bitterness and do a REAL redraw of the United States.
Comment by Mike Jarvis — August 7, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
This map seems quite fair to all parties, at least to all of the ethnic groups in the current middle eastern states. Notice also that Turkey is not the only state that loses territory, Israel also returns to its pre 1967 borders.
Why don’t the kurds deserve their own state, if that is the will of the people in southeast turkey.
Comment by Noah — August 9, 2007 @ 7:35 am
it’s not complete:(
Comment by tin-tin — September 10, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
Among the Turkish retaliatory maps, the one by “Hebeleb Hebeleb” gave me at least three chuckles.
The first step in getting Iraq a new constitution should have been a series of plebiscites: ask each province whether or not to join it with each adjacent province, and keep doing that until the maximal compatible sets are found; if the result is three states where there was one, so be it.
Comment by Anton Sherwood — September 12, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
what the Middle East might look like if the European powers had never drawn the lines themselves — in that case would Israël exist at all?
Comment by Anton Sherwood — September 12, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
Oops, i meant to have </i> before the dash. Curse WordPress’s lack of a preview features!
Comment by Anton Sherwood — September 12, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
Anton. Israel was not created by the Europeans. The Jews decided to return home and re-establish it. They fought many bloody wars defending their re-established Jewish homeland. Sure, Israel was helped by various other nations but so were the Arabs in their fight against Israel.
Comment by Adin — September 19, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
Kurdistan must be free of Turkish terror
Free Kurdistan! Stop Turkish terror!
Comment by Marcel -NL- — October 22, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
Why don’t you read the Armed Forces Journal article first, instead of guessing what the author meant by the map?
The article was the opinion of *one* writer, who suggested those countries should’ve been constructed with those boundaries 100 years ago, instead of the random boundaries that the English and French pulled out of their ass.
If you’re open-minded, you might agree with the article when you’re finished.
Comment by asmilesa (U.S.) — October 24, 2007 @ 2:35 am
As much as I am against the US invasion and blind support for the Zionist state (I am NOT anti-semitic), the map does actually make sense.
After all, the existing country boundaries were not drawn up by the local population, but by colonial powers to suit their own interests.
The above maps might not actually upset the people as much – as their political leaders, as it’d impact on their own interests.
Though, in many ways it’d better leaving sleeping dogs (or war) in peace…
Comment by CG — November 6, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
Where is the Assyrian State in the future Middle east?
Comment by sargon — December 18, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
Check out the recent Vanity Fair November/December 2007. It published a map created by T.E. Lawrence in 1918 filed and only recently found plus a “new” map created “for discussion only” by four Western “Middle East Experts” It is not too different from the one in the US Army publication.
I am of the understanding that only borders receiving the imprimatur of the UN have “international” standing. Per the UN Charter all modifications must be “Negotiated”, None modified through force will be recognized. Yet today 12/19/2007 UN negotiations vis a vis Serbia vs an independent Kosovo have broken down. The “Major Players” of the EU have decided that Kosovo area is with in its sphere of influence, so the EU will try to facilitate a negotiated/impose an independent Kosovo.
If an independent Kosovo why not an independent Kurdistan. Why then shouldn’t it be the prerogative of the Muslim/Arab sphere of influence to negotiate/impose an independent Palestine on the world map.
Balukistan? Pashtunistan?
Comment by Charles Klaer — December 20, 2007 @ 3:11 am
Awesome looking map. I haven’t seen an actual map of the middle-east in forever, but I’m guessing that this one is extremely distorted to reflect the way americans see the middle-east.
Comment by trademark registration — December 21, 2007 @ 4:14 am
Great post. You may be interested in this too: http://www.americansforisrael.com/
Comment by Josh — January 24, 2008 @ 10:25 pm
My understanding is that the majority of the oil in the Middle East is in Shia areas. Thus the Arab Shia State would be a major oil power, while Sunni Iraq and Saudi Arabia would lose their most valuable oil fields and be reduced, in oil/economic terms, to something like Yemen.
Comment by Amit Gilboa — February 27, 2008 @ 1:02 pm
I’m still trying to find the town of Mt Ararat on a real map, are they proposing founding a new town there?
And on a slightly more serious note would echo the previous comment about the poor little Armenians, definitely still getting a bum deal.
Arab Shia state is actually looking more and more of a real prospect every day as we speak. Not exactly by US design, though catalysed by the invasion.
Comment by piersy — March 31, 2008 @ 11:52 am
Oh well, found it!! I guess Yerevan was hidden under the word armenia.
Comment by piersy — March 31, 2008 @ 11:57 am
I have the most original map of the Persia in it’s biggest growth.
Comment by Arash — April 11, 2008 @ 9:32 am
Drawing maps along cultural and ethnic lines is very easy, however too dangerous.Interfering with states to “democratize” them gives you chaos, if not death to millions and ahh,yes some oil. If we attempt to correct the boundaries created by colonials and which are,for better or for worse the basis of the present international system not very many existing states will remain on the world map. So, it is far better to think twice before drawing any..
Comment by saintbeerthymai — April 14, 2008 @ 1:38 pm
I agree with this comment. In addition such a map presumes that states can only prosper if the same language, religion and what more are shared by its inhabitants. We all know that prosperity is related to freedom and justice. The ‘nationalistic state’ was a concept of post napolean Europe and proved a disaster. In nationalistic states everybody is unhappy about the borders since every ‘nation’ once occupied more territory than today.
Get over it and live together, especially in the Middle East.
Comment by Alfred — April 23, 2008 @ 8:49 am
This is quite funny! People who are behind these map drawings are certainly rooted from ex-Great Britain. As we all know, U.K is in midest of braking down into three pieces, England, Scotland, and Wale, not to mention they will completly loose Northern Ireland.
Just the Fact the Iranian city, Tabriz, which supposdly in the new map will be part of Azarbaijan, is not only a dream but on the contrary, the fact is the Azarbijan which is a Farsi word is quite ready to become part of Iran AGAIN, and I say again because this territory was rented to Russians under a 100 year mandate like Hong Kong to U.K. Another fact is that parts of Turkaministan more specifically the cities of Ashegebat, which is a main Iranian city to be back part of Iran. Getting back to the historical city of Tabriz which every Iranian revolution in the pat 100 years has started in no other indication for their nationalistic love and feeling for Iran.
Kurdistan will never be a country as there are over 5 languages spoken there, Turkish, Farsi, Arabic, and Kurdish with many different flavor, basically syrian kurds will not understand Iranian kurds and both will not understand Turkish kurds!
Not to mention most of the Kurdish rebels who are mostly engaged in arms and drugs dealing with the support of MI6 are not the voice of the people of these regeions! Iranians, Kurdish people and the rest of the regeion are quite aware of this. So my dear Middle Eastern friends, don’t you worry about these non-sens talks and dreams of bunch of bored lesbian and homosexual junkies, they are at the end of the road, and there is no way back for them to satisfy their people with new excuses!!
Their time has come, and they are nothing but falling ex-super powers.
Love to the People of Middle East.
Kaveh Ahangar,
Comment by Kaveh Ahangar — April 29, 2008 @ 1:04 am
fuck your mother little pig
shia are ganna terminated God willing
no one can destroy the country of islam, mohammed, Qoura’an and two holly mousques.
leave this silly game or try another monkeys’ nephews.
Comment by go to the hell — May 10, 2008 @ 2:06 pm
I think you have to be totally oblivious to Middle Eastern History to believe this map.
If you think Kurdistan needs to exist, and believe that a people who have lived in the mountains of the Middle East for centuries with weapons and rifles, only coming out to raid and rob villages, slaughter villagers, and maraud main-roads around the Middle East deserves a country simply because they live there, then you are living in a world where evil always wins.
Let me give you a small history lesson people, for the last 10 centuries, the Kurdish people of the Middle East, who have lived in the same area for more than that, have done nothing but make it a hazard to the natives of the region. They slaughtered the Armenians in the hundreds of thousands in 1915 and they have done nothing but support different invaders to the Middle East.
Why do you think Saddam Hussein hated the Kurds? Why do you think Iranians hate the Kurds? Why do you think the Turks consistently seek to destroy their PKK organization?
BECAUSE THEY KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS AND ROB THEM!
>>>>
IF YOU BELIEVE KURDISTAN SHOULD EXIST, TELL THAT FACE-TO-FACE TO THE FAMILIES OF AMERICAN, FRENCH, GERMAN, TURKISH, SYRIAN, ARMENIAN CITIZENS WHO DIED WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING WRONG EXCEPT BEING AT THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME AND SUFFERING THE WRATH OF THE TERRORIST ORGANIZATION CALLED THE KURDISTAN WORKER’S PARTY (PKK).
Comment by Brian A — May 22, 2008 @ 11:52 pm
That’s not right. Where is Assyria? Assyrians been waiting for their homeland to come and rise in glory to be back. Is also dangerous for the Assyrians; just not right at all.
Kurdish people shouldn’t be having their land either, which they steal.
Comment by Styles — October 3, 2008 @ 11:04 pm
There are more good ideas here than the real map-not perfect but better. An Islamic holy state not as influenced by the greedy and corrupt Saudi’s is great for Islam as a whole. Extremism should not preside over a bastion of common spiritual brotherhood. A split Iraq is much better than the boundaries Britain defined in the wake of its massive self interested imperialism. The same goes for the Jordanian state. Israel’s existence is really not the best thing for the middle east-hence decades of constant bloodshed. Its here to stay though no matter what and should not be wiped off the map by the Persian version of George W. Bush. The pakistani state is good except what the fuck do you do about Kashmir? It is best to separate Pakistan from the wild tribal regions in the northwest/west, but where’s the rest of it? Baluchistan is interesting but not necessary if it causes to much trouble by taking land from surrounding states, the ethnicity is really disjunct and not unified and powerful enough to cause trouble. A bigass Iran is not a bad thing. They already have a varied population of many ethnicities so it won’t be anything they’re not used to presiding over. They’re not good at reconciling their Arab and Persian populations, the Iran Iraq war caused too much beef, so the Shiite Arab state is a good idea. A bigger Azerbaijan makes sense as Iran doesn’t need anymore different ethnic groups to subject its corrupt theocracy over. Let the Azerbaijani group, which is Indo-European-caucasian, be separate from the Persians of Iran. Kurdistan is way to big, give some of it to Armenia-they deserve it from all the shit they have had to withstand historically. While your at it, give Armenia a relevant stake in Turkey for retribution for the genocide-there’s no doubt it happened. The Turks and Kurds will probably never reach a compromise, but taking that much off Turkey in Kurdistan’s favor is grounds for serious strife. The Kurds definitely need a state to keep from meddling with the Arabs to the South, and to keep them from guerilla attacking Turkey. Hopefully they’ll stick to it rather than start shit all around them. The PPK does kinda suck
Comment by Sabukaila — October 17, 2008 @ 2:44 am
Did anyone else notice what the initials of what was formerly Saudi Arabia and becomes the Saudi Homelands Independent Territories are? xD
On a more serious note, it strikes me that the division of Iraq into two ethnically distinct states would do a lot to undo what efforts at reconciliation have been made in the population. Racism is unlikely to be dampened by separating Sunnis and Shiites into two countries.
Comment by Simon — November 16, 2008 @ 2:06 pm
Kurdishs and Arabians is Turkey’s citizen but they dont know this. Turkey is entire and not break up.
Comment by Canli Tv izle — November 22, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
A Kurdistan on Armenian territories that were stolen by Turkey through Genocide? Hmmm…I don’t think so!
Sorry Kurds, but if those lands are ever taken away, the first country that will incorproate it into it’s own borders will be Armenia as it has a legal right to do so while the Kurds have no legal right over it.
Every year the Kurdish map of ‘Kurdistan’ extends from what it should be, and sooner it will incorporate all of the Middle East I’m afraid. LOL
Your territory is southern Turkey, so leave Armenian territories alone as you will never get it, unless you want to have the same problems with the Armenians as you’re having with the Turks today? The fact that instead of the Armenians, it is the Kurds who are living in the Armenian territories doesn’t mean much at all! It would be funny to see the day when the Kurds lay their hands on the Armenian territories in Turkey….oh boy! Also, who will ever agree to give those territories to the Kurds? No one!
Russians know that it’s all Armenian territories, the US knows it’s Armenian, Armenians know it’s Armenian, Iran knows it’s Armenian, Turkish elite know it’s Armenian territories, although they pretend in front of their ignorant public that they don’t…. SO….if those lands are ever given to someone…it will sure be Armenians and not the Kurds since the Armenians were driven away by murder & deportations from their ancient homeland, and no one has driven away the Kurds. Also, the Turkish elite would rather have a bigger Armenia than a big Kurdistan as a neighbor, since the geopolitics of the region has considerably changed in the last 50 years or so, and there is more chance that a Turkish-Kurdish border war will occur than a Turkish-Armenian war. Also, Syria, Iran & Iraq will not want to have a piece of their territories be taken away by them for the creation of a Kurdistan, while in terms of Turkey returning the Armenian territories to the Armenians will not be so much of a regional problem (but rather a local Turkish problem only) and won’t affect the other states except the Turks….In another words, the day that kurds lay their hands on the Armenian territories, it will be problematic for all of the states in the region. Legally, the Kurds have no right over those territories while Armenians do have it through the treaty of Sevres.
Dreaming never hurts Kurds!!! Keep it up!
Comment by Kristina — November 22, 2008 @ 11:19 pm
American scheming never ends. Pakistan has been persecuted simply because it dared to be a muslim majority state with a nuclear bomb, an industrious populace and economic potential, that was independent of oil revenues.
Pakistan is slowly being destroyed as part of America’s long-term plan to keep any nation with an alternative (especially non-anglo-centric) world vision down. Pakistan had to clean up America’s mess following the withdrawal of USSR from Afghanistan. Pakistan was intentionally left by itself to finish off the remnants of former Soviet backed warlords who were hellbent on destroying Pakistan in revenge for Pakistan’s righteous intervention against Soviet puppetmasters. And just as Pakistan was returning to stability and heading towards prosperity, 9-11 gave America the pretext it needed to screw Pakistan’s dreams. Bin laden is not a real terrorist, nor is he representative of most muslim peoples’ desires – his job is simply to create pretext – pretext to allow America to redraw national maps to their heart’s content, while the rest of us pay the price.
Only strong, large and united countries survive. Only a single unified islamic state will allow muslims to live in peace. Of course, America and Britain have consistently done everything in their power to stop this from getting in the way of their oh so precious world vision. America has a proven track record of at best “allowing” and at worst “encouraging” cataclysmic attacks on itself in order to justify ANYTHING that it does in retaliation. FDR knew about an impending Pearl Harbour but he let it happen to give him pretext to do anything in response, not least of all Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Likewise, the neocons have simply to push the right buttons to let another 9-11 happen at a place and time of their choosing – any time they need pretext in the future to steal civil liberties, open Gitmo’s, redraw maps, protect pseudo-states of their choice (Israel), and terminate potentially stable muslim majority states in-utero.
Comment by Sharjil — November 24, 2008 @ 8:12 pm
There is lot of scope for dividing Pakistan into 5 more states. These kafir pakistanis are maligning Islam and trying to eliminate Islam from the world. These Satanic forces will be eliminated. See http://www.dividepakistan.blogspot.com/. May Allah punish their soul in Hell.
Comment by Salman Kashmiri — December 24, 2008 @ 11:32 am
What is wrong with you ppl? It is easy to make comments from the other side of the world. Why do others give a crap about Turks, Kurds, Armenians, etc.? Why are ppl so nosey? Why do you support a side from the other side of the world and make ppl angry? Can’t they find their own way to fix their own problems? Why is America always poking its nose into others world? Why do ppl still surrend religions in this century? Isn’t that the biggest myth that make ppl kill each other? Why feel pity and give a free land from your pocket? Why, why, why…
Comment by Lily — January 1, 2009 @ 11:03 pm
Kristina,
The Treaty of Sevres (signed 1920) is not valid anymore I’m afraid. That was signed by the Ottoman Empire which doesn’t exist today.
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Comment by capkin-power — January 24, 2009 @ 8:51 pm
Thank You…;)
Comment by Buğra — March 10, 2009 @ 3:36 pm
Rap hakkında herşey…
Comment by Rapkoloji — April 18, 2009 @ 9:49 pm
there isn’t free kürdistan.KNOW THİS…You are dishonourable
Comment by emirhan — April 23, 2009 @ 11:46 am
You are dishonourable
Comment by emirhan — April 23, 2009 @ 11:47 am
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Comment by Maxi-Cafe — April 24, 2009 @ 11:39 am
wow nice map, i liked it. hopefully it will be implemented very soon.
Comment by kurdi — May 3, 2009 @ 6:56 pm
thanks alot
Comment by Tony — May 4, 2009 @ 2:22 am
very good of your maps…running away
Comment by asal ketik — May 4, 2009 @ 4:44 pm
thank you
Comment by ziya — May 7, 2009 @ 9:45 pm
thanks for this map
good
luck
Comment by Solomon — May 11, 2009 @ 7:05 am
merci
Comment by aspicco . — May 17, 2009 @ 4:46 am
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Comment by oyun — May 30, 2009 @ 12:22 pm
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Comment by yory — June 12, 2009 @ 8:07 pm
Vielen Dank
Comment by moon — July 3, 2009 @ 3:45 am
Muchas gracias
Comment by sun — July 4, 2009 @ 6:26 am