Belgium sits astride one of the main cultural fault lines of Europe, consisting roughly of a northern half that speaks Dutch and is oriented towards the ‘anglosphere’ and a southern half that speaks French and is oriented towards the ‘francophonie’. Ever since the federalisation of the country from the Seventies through the Nineties of the previous century – basically in two halves that correspond with the aforementioned cultural divide, although the institutional reality is much more complicated – two ’sub-nations’ have formed that keep drifting further away from each other.
It’s often said that Belgium would have split up by now if it wasn’t for the seemingly intractible situation of Brussels, officially a separate, bilingual enclave surrounded by Flemish territory. Historically Flemish, the city is now de facto Francophone (at least 80%). But it’s also home to many international institutions, and is considered the Capital of the European Union.
Flemings have always been loath to let go of Brussels, which they see as historically ‘theirs’. This attitude has been changing, and for many Flemings, the end of Belgium is thinkable without them holding on to Brussels. So what would happen is Belgium should cease to be? There is a limited number of realistic scenarios. Here is an overview, compiled at http://home.online.no/~vlaenen/flemish_questions/quste27.html .
a) independence for Flanders and Wallonia, Brussels an integral part of Flanders.
One could say this is the ’maximalist’ position of those wishing for Flemish independence. This option implies that Brussels integrates into Flanders – which is not very likely, given the totally different cultural, geopolitical and linguistic outlooks of both entities.
b) Independence for Flanders, Wallonia and Brussels.
This would appear to be the most logical outcome of any Belgian separation – at first, anyway: and independent Flanders, an equally independent Wallonia, and Brussels as an independent entity, possibly as a kind of European equivalent to Washington’s DC status, and possibly with institutional links to Wallonia (and, less likely, to Flanders).
3) Flanders an integral part of the Netherlands, Wallonia an integral part of France, Brussels a co-governed entity.
Joining the Netherlands (with which Flanders shares language and, to a lesser extent, culture) has never been a popular option in Flemish nationalist circles – because of the cultural differences, and the perceived incomprehension and lack of support for the Flemish ’cause’ in the Netherlands. But it could prove to be a popular cause after Flemish independence, which would leave the Flemings with a very small state. A similar story south of the language frontier. ‘Rattachisme’ (the political movement proposing the ‘re-integration’ of Wallonia in France) is an extremely small movement in Wallonia at present, but could surge in case of a Belgian break-up. It is interesting to note that, although Walloons share language and culture with France, they have rarely been part of France – except for Napoleonic times, when that fate also applied to the whole of the Low Countries, even up to Bremen in the North of Germany. Strictly speaking, this political movement should therefore be called ‘attachisme’. In this scenario, Brussels could be a co-dominion of the Netherlands and France – much like Andorra is co-governed by Spain and France.

Love your site. Some of your maps describe hypothetical conditions, realized or unrealized, that tell me more about history than a sequence of borders that actually were. Some of them make sense – but they’re mad crazy at the same time.
Comment by David Ramos — October 19, 2006 @ 1:29 am
Sorry to ask a general question using the comment area for a specific entry…I can’t see anywhere else to enter it.
Great blog, I found it through Map Room. Do you support RSS? I’d like to add this to my Yahoo home page.
Thanks.
Comment by icedtea1954 — October 19, 2006 @ 10:18 am
One of my history teachers kept insisting that we would see the end of Belgium in our lifetime. That he might have been right will be obvious to anybody who has seen coverage of European cycling races: It’s the most popular sport in Belgium, nevertheless you hardly see any Belgian flags along the roads, but loads of Flemish and Wallonian ones.
And don’t forget about the German-speaking community in the East, which in recent years has started to reassert its own identity and autonomy.
Still, I do have doubts about the three options you’re presenting. Independence may be desired, but as you point out, both entities could be too small to support this.
As for the third option, the Catholic Flemings never really got along with the predominantly Protestant Dutch. Flanders actually used to be part of the Netherlands but seceded in the 1830 revolution. And while there may be some sympathy for France among the Wallonians, France isn’t really interested in being joined by a region suffering from high unemployment and loads of economic and social problems.
Comment by claus — October 20, 2006 @ 1:07 pm
Love your site!
Comment by olivia — October 20, 2006 @ 6:03 pm
Just a little thing: Andorra is not “co-governed by Spain and France”. I’m Spanish and this is the first time I read such thing. According to wikipedia, the heads of state in Andorra are both the president of France and a Spanish bishop, but only with a ceremonial role.
Fine blog though. :)
Comment by DavidM — October 20, 2006 @ 7:59 pm
@David Ramos:
Thank you!
@icedtea1954:
Erhm, I don’t know.
@claus:
Yes, I’ve noticed the communal flag-waving at cycling events. Don’t know exactly why regionalists prefer cycling. The Basque do it too…
As for the realism of the proposed separation options, I do suppose ’smallness’ is a strong argument against it, Belgium being very tiny already.
@olivia:
Thank you very much.
@DavidM:
Andorra probably gets along just fine with the business of governing itself, so ‘co-governed’ is a bit strong perhaps. Maybe ‘co-sovereignity’ is a better term.
Comment by strangemaps — October 22, 2006 @ 5:47 pm
Very nice site. Concerning the maps of the reshaping of Belgium: I think it will still take some time before this takes place and to tell you the truth I, as a Belgian, am not looking forward to it. The whole discussion of the differences between Flanders and Wallonia is greatly exagerated by racist nationalists.
Comment by sander — October 24, 2006 @ 1:00 pm
What about the Beirut/Hezbollah model? The Muslims band together, arm themselves, and reduce everyone else to tribute and obedience.
Comment by Solomon2 — November 9, 2006 @ 3:57 am
I hope we’ll never split up: in Belgium there’s a minority that wants separation. And as you all know Belgium is a democracy so the majority decides. If you would organise a referendum about this matter, I’m quite sure the outcome will be pro-Belgium.
You might have noticed that I’m Belgian.
Comment by Geert-Jan — December 17, 2006 @ 2:38 pm
well, im am flemish. I am pro independence, the question is not are a majority of the flemish for indepence?
let me explain:
the majority of flemish (80%) geert-jan can confirm this, wants more confederalism (more power to flemish parlement.
The wallon response non,non,non, inacceptable,non,non.
We have brussel halle vilvoorde. for not belgians it is hard to explain, but will try to make it easy.
Flemish citizens can only vote for flemish representitivs. lets say like, californians can only vote for a californian senetor. so know you know this, u say no problems flemish choose flemish representitivs, walloon chose walloon.
this true exept for brussel halle vilvoorde.
threre walloons ( who refuses to speek flemish inhalle vilvoorde(= flemish territory) can vote in flemish territory), this infleunces the election results, in the advantages of the walloons the belgian supreme court (raad van state) has declered this situation unconstitutional
if this is not resulfed in 2010, the elections can not be recognised and would be illigal
this situations and always no (non, non) from the walloons
will lead to the seperation of the country
and brussel will choose fot option 1 why:
1) brussel is not connected with wallonia, it is fully surounded with flemish ground.
2) each year 10 000 000 000 euro flows from flanders to wallonia, so if the country flits wallonia will be poor, and brussels (people), have to choose, choose flanders (and mantain life standard) or choose wallonia (reducing life standerd)
3) if brussels choose wallonia, it declears its death sentence.
why: 75% of brussels money is generated directly/indirectly by flanders (flemish companies with HQ in brussels, money from HQ of shiping/ airline compagnies, because every seaport is located in flanders and the main airport (zaventem is located also in flanders) so if brussels choose wallonia, flanders will pull its organisations out of brussels (like HQ flemish compagnies, flemish parlemnt,…, compagnies interested in seaports will move, this will lead to the reduction of brussels international status, france and germany will be pleased that they can remove brussel as EU capital, US will be less interessted in brussels, and will be more interested in flanders, because they control antwerp port wich is vital for US military (seen during IRAK war shipping us units located in germany to IRAK).
Comment by bruno — December 29, 2006 @ 3:07 am
and an brussels (EU city state) will never happen, why
EU never agrees, so not on this
no succes in history:
remember jerusalem (1947 partition plan falled)
cyprus federalism failed
UK and germany will not allow a greater influence of france in EU, and will not allow that france has direct control on EU capital
Comment by bruno — December 29, 2006 @ 3:22 am
I come from Liege, in Wallonia (french speeking).
Most of the debate of separation is just a political debate far from citizens needs.
Wallonia was the 2nd richest region in the world (from 1810 to 1890) just after UK. At that perio thanks to a strong steel and mining Wallonia has inject a lot of money in the flamish region. Now, with the decline of the industry, the situation is reversed, that’s true. The reconstruction of the Wallonia economy is quite difficult, that’s true. But the arrogance of the flamish politicians (and a small part of the citizens) become unbearable for a growing par of the walloons. A lot of manipulated datas are published every week: it’s not 10 000 000 000 euros transerde from from Flamish to Wallons but 3 000 000 000! I’ve work in Brussels and Antwerp, most of the flemish doesn’t want separation but if it’s the only solution a growing par of the wallons will split to France with Brussels…
Comment by O Mallue — February 14, 2007 @ 8:11 am
I am also Flemish. Belgium isn’t a democracy anymore. We can’t vote for Walloons ( except Brussel Halle Vilvoorde) and they can’t vote for us, but we do have to form a cooperation in the government. We both have different views on politics, so most good ideas of Flanders aren’t seen as good ideas by the Walloons.
I love Wallonia to go on holiday, and I also like the hospitality. But this doesn’t mean we have to form one country.
ps : The transfers are indeed bigger then 10 000 000 000 euros and they aren’t declining.
Comment by TD — April 26, 2007 @ 11:16 am
My turn for arguments.
@claus:
The size of a state does not matter. Look at Luxembourg, the country with the highest GDP/capita or Norway, a country with only 4 million inhabitants, which is the most prosperous in the world. Smaller states are generally more efficient.
@sander:
Flemish independance, as persued by the Flemish movement, is something that is not at all restricted to the Vlaams Belang party (I am assuming that’s where your link seperatism racism comes from, even though the VB is not racist). It is a party-independant movement.
@Geert-Jan
The only reason the majority of the Flemish don’t want seperation is because they don’t think about politics. They see their own situation and think, hey, this isn’t that bad. There’s a reason why every independant political forum has a majority in Flemish seperatists. Lots of Flemings who thinks logically about our politics conclude that seperatism is the only option.
And by the way, Belgium will collapse, majority of seperatists or not. As soon as a federal government cannot be formed anymore because of all the conflicts, it’s bye bye Belgium. Look at the Tsjecho-Slovakia situation for that.
@O Mallue
It has been proven by fiscalists that Flanders has always paid more taxes to the national budget. Even when the Flemish peasants were dying of famine. The only transfer Wallonia -> Flanders there ever was was the pay the poor Flemish got by working in dangerous coal mines owned by Walloon industrialists.
The current transfer Flemish -> French speaking is not 10 billion a year, indeed. It’s 12 billion. 3 billion goes to Brussels and the rest to Wallonia.
You know why Wallonia needs these massive transfers? You know why the situation in Wallonia, despite the transfers, actually keeps worsening? It’s because the Walloons keep voting for that incompetent Parti Socialiste. As soon as Belgium collapses, the PS will collapse with it and hopefully, Wallonia will finally recover.
I wish the Walloons a strong economy and lots of prosperity, but for that to happen, Belgium needs to go first.
Thank you for reading.
Comment by Nils — May 30, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
1. vlaamsbelang IS a racist party, they have been convicted as vlaamsblok, and now just changes names
2. the PS is not an incompetent party, there are some fraudulous people in the party which have to be removed, but that doesn’t make the whole PS corrupt nor incompetent.
3. belgium was unnaturally founded as a buffer state with international treaties, which combined territories, therefore belgium can just as easily fall apart again. there is still a great solidarity, allthough declining.
4. when it should come to division, rationally thinking there is no other solution then to make brussels a washingtonDC-like european capital and make 2 seperate states with their own very different politics.
Comment by TD — June 21, 2007 @ 10:20 pm
I was going to point out the little known German speaking group in Wallonia too, until I noticed someone else did. There is no love lost between Wallonia and France, but the relationship isn’t that animus. I’d liken more to Canada/US? In any event, I should think another option might be unification of Luxemburg and Wallonia. Sure there are similar economic issues, but one thing it has going for it (which seems to be missing in this treatise) is royalty. Belgium is a Kingdom and Luxemburg a related Dukedom.
Comment by belg4mit — July 30, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
And all of a sudden this issue is hot again. Belgium is in a major crisis at the moment; they can’t form a government.
Comment by John den Haan — August 24, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
This situation sounds much like we have in Canada. Thinking Canadians (English speaking) want a separation from Quebec (French speaking). Not because of hatred – most people get along fine (politicians exempted!) but because we have different needs and culture. I am for a united Anglosphere and a united North America and that cannot be accomplished with Quebec in the federation. Unfortunately, so many Canadians are politically clueless and we have way too many demented leftists. However, the situation is helped because Quebec has an active separatist movement which, ironically, will help to do the job for us.
Comment by lm toronto — September 6, 2007 @ 2:26 am
It would make the most sense to combine Brussels, Vlaams-Brabant, and Brabant-Wallon into one nation and make it fully bilingual; and let the rest of Flanders and Wallonia go their way.
Comment by Howard Ahmanson — September 13, 2007 @ 2:09 am
I’m from Canada (along with #18) and I’m just trying to understand this crazy situation due to the fact that I’m applying for an internship within Brussels, Belgium. However I do have enough knowledge of the Quebec seperatist situation. What #18 said about this being similar to Belgium is completely wrong.
Why?
A) Canadians don’t want a seperation from Quebec, I have no idea where you got that info. Quebec wants to seperate from Canada.
B) The economic situation from Quebec to the Federal Government of
Canada is again, completely different. Quebec is an economic powerhouse for Canada and it’s a delicate relationship between each other. Not to mention that it has the highest population out of all the province as well as the largest amount of land/resources availible.
C) I do agree that we have many “demented leftists” as well I would have to say that the seperation movement has detiriorated in the past 12 years since Jean Charest has taken Legislative Office. On top of Jean Charest’s election, the Conservative Government has been doing a fantastic job peicing Canada back together and finally settling liberal motions within Quebec.
D) Ultimately from what I understand the Wallons are becoming an Economic Burden for the Flemish and they have had many other difficulties within the Federal Government/electoral processes. So just those points alone show that this has NOTHING in common with the situation in Canada.
Comment by Jordan Baribeau — September 15, 2007 @ 12:09 am
I believe Flanders should be part of Netherlands, Wallons a part of France and OF COURSE Bruxelles should be the federal capital of the European Union (just like Washington in USA).
Of course, these things matter less if we keep in mind that the final goal for all of us is to demolish States and build an European Federation.
Comment by Reegard — September 19, 2007 @ 11:42 am
As already mentioned by many people, for a foreigner (I’m a dutch speaking Belgian by the way) it is very difficult to understand what is going on over here.
The problem is that the understanding between Flemish people and the Walloons is so f*cked up due to years of one way and partial reporting of the media and politicians. In such a way that most Flemish people think that all Walloons are lazy, without a job and benefitting of the social security system. On the other hand most part of the Walloons think that the Flemish are just a bunch of egoistic seperatists who want to get rid of the king and Belgium.
To change this state of mind on both sides, we have to put a lot of time and effort (read: political willingness) into it. The problem is that we have neither at the moment;
– no time because we require a government ASAP!
– no effort because the politicians don’t have the nerve to make political statements and gestures which could even remotely result in their political death!
So we have a country that can be compared to a luxury limo with two drivers who each have a different destination in mind. Who would be intrested in such a thing? Prove is that even selling it on Ebay was not a success :
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070918/ap_on_fe_st/belgium_for_sale
Personally I don’t think that a splitup is the way to go, and in no circumstance the proposals to re-connect the different parts to their neighbouring countries. I wish I could propose a solution for these problems via this website, but I don’t see or can think of any suitable one. It frustrates me and makes me sad.
Aside a possible distribution of responsibilities between the different regions, or not. I still believe that Belgium as country now and in the future the only solution is.
Comment by The one without a clue ... — September 19, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
I totally agree with “The one without a clue”. I too am a Dutch-speaking Belgian. I’m proud to be Flemish because of our rich cultural and gastronomical heritage, but I don’t really see the point in splitting Belgium up. I think it was Rik Torfs who made the wonderful statement that if we separate from the Walloons, who are we going to blame when things still go wrong?
Comment by Ludwig — September 25, 2007 @ 11:30 am
I’m English and living in Tournai, Wallonie. I would recommend the francophone section of this country break away from the Flemish north. I say this in the same way I think Scotland should break from the UK, within the EU both sets of people will benefit from development grants and investment. The history of Belgium was the souths dependence of heavy industries and jobs for life, this like in the UK’s north is changing. The 70’s and 80′ have seen the jobs growth swing to the north but due to an ageing workforce, Flandres is becomming more and more reliant on immigration as the Netherlands, Germany and UK. I would think that a younger Wallonie swinging towards it’s own light industry and development will grow in time with EU backing. I work with many people from the north and to be honest even the younger ones want to preserve Belgium it’s mainly the older one’s who knew the restrictions they faced as a people with French language dominating the country years ago that want to split the country. Perhaps Belgium is the future of Europe many regional states and less larger countries. It’s an interesting time to be here. Thinking of home, apart from London which always generates lots of jobs the best jobs with the best quality of life in the UK are in the north, an area like Wallonie that was once home to heavy industry. It’s an interesting time to be here. My final thoughts on this matter are these, my girlfriend is Francophone we are to have our first child next week and it will speak two world langauges English and French not a regional language aka Flemish. In thity-forty years due to the influence of English all around the world English will be the langauge of the EU and second langauge to any one in politics as it is the first langauge of business today. Perhaps in my life time I can speak to both north and south Beglium totally in English…!
Comment by Andrew — September 29, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
Give me an old cool bicycle, and I’ll ride around the city for days.
Comment by Retro Bicycles — October 23, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
As a Belgian, I never was for de separation of the country.
But when you look deeper into the problem, you’ll see that the one thing that was wrong was the creation of the country. The battle between Flanders and Wallonië has been going on since the 1800’s.
At the moment I’m pro-flemish indipendace. Even a reunion with the Netherlands is an option for me.
As you can see in Netherland Zeeuws-Vlaanderen wan’t to be joined with the Belgian Oost and West Vlaanderen. Limburg (Belgian and Holland side) want to be joined together.
Why do these people want this?
The people want this because originally is was so.
Comment by Tom — October 24, 2007 @ 9:31 am
#20 What ever are you on about?? Quebec an economic powerhouse?? Huh!?!? No Quebecer I know would ever make such a ridiculous claim. Quebec exists on subsidies from the rest of Canada (ever hear of equalization payments, dude?) and a huge public sector (paid for by said subsidies). Just like Wallonia. In fact, the situation in Canada parallels that of Belgium quite closely. As a Canadian, I sympathize totally with the Flemish and wish them all the best.
Comment by lm toronto — November 10, 2007 @ 5:06 am
The main reason why a lot of people in flanders want independance might currently be because of financial issues. But the underlying reason, the one that’s been there from the start of belgium in 1830, is the fight of a people for cultural independance. From the moment Belgium as a country started, the country was effectively ruled by the french speaking part of Belgium.
They only translated the constitution to dutch in 1967!
University lessons were in french for a very long time, offical stuff was all conducted in french, if you were flemish, the french speaking would belittle you in every way possible (still happening to this day)
The change only happened when the flemish would stand up for their rights after the second world war, and made change happen, otherwise it would still be likr that today.
Some walloons say “when we were a rich region, and flanders was poor, we helped you”
What they did was build factories here and have the local flemish people work for wages that earned them just enough to buy just enough food not to die. exploitation, that’s what it’s called.
After WWII Flanders built a solid economy, and finally we can say enough is enough. We’ve worked hard to get from under the ‘colonial’ realm of the french speaking belgians, while they were relying on money pouring in from the north like they did since the beginning of the country. Their economy crashed, they’re unable to work themselves and get it back on track. Maybe they’ll try harder when we don’t send them cheques anymore.
And frankly, if they want, they can have Brussels. I just want to live in a country that can decide it’s own fate, without the weight of a people that takes our money and still looks down on us.
Comment by Rick — November 13, 2007 @ 12:23 am
For a englisch pro independance website I point at brusselsjournal.com
they also have a few scenario’s including maps.
you can choose englisch or dutch.
Comment by Arjan — January 17, 2008 @ 6:24 pm
#27 ummmm, just about every province in Canada receives some sort of subsidies, even Alberta… Dude, I’m not even going to argue, your comments are uneducated.
Comment by Jordan Baribeau — April 13, 2008 @ 4:24 am
Don’t forget that the French speakers who dominated Belgium in the nineteenth century were *not* Walloons–they were aristocratic Flemings (along with the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha rabble, who were of course Germans). Don’t go blaming today’s Walloons for the torts inflicted upon your ancestors!
Comment by Toine Culot — June 7, 2008 @ 5:47 pm
Flemish and Walloons: who are the fries, who are the mussels ?
Comment by lp — June 22, 2008 @ 10:31 pm
And what is next: Moscow Flemish ?
Moskou Vlaams !
Comment by Leo — July 17, 2008 @ 2:15 pm
thanks alot
Comment by Tony — May 4, 2009 @ 2:24 am
thanks for this map
good
luck
Comment by Solomon — May 11, 2009 @ 7:07 am
merci
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Comment by yory — June 12, 2009 @ 8:09 pm
Vielen Dank
Comment by moon — July 3, 2009 @ 3:47 am
Muchas gracias
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