Comments on: 110 - Cooch Behar: The Mother of All Enclave Complexes http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/ collecting cartographic curiosa Sat, 17 May 2008 22:46:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Jason Cons http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-14002 Jason Cons Mon, 04 Jun 2007 07:22:02 +0000 http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-14002 Hi, I am currently conducting ethnographic and archival research in/on these very enclaves. If anyone would like more information or, alternatively, has any information about them beyond what's available from Brendan Whyte and William Van Schendel (I've already read their fascinating and helpful pieces) please contact me at jasoncons@gmail.com. Many thanks Jason Hi, I am currently conducting ethnographic and archival research in/on these very enclaves. If anyone would like more information or, alternatively, has any information about them beyond what’s available from Brendan Whyte and William Van Schendel (I’ve already read their fascinating and helpful pieces) please contact me at jasoncons@gmail.com.

Many thanks
Jason

]]> By: DE/US http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-11159 DE/US Wed, 23 May 2007 07:10:35 +0000 http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-11159 CortxVortx: For more information about the different ways to separate numbers around the world, take a look at this <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator' rel="nofollow">Wikipedia article about the history of decimal vs comma separators</a>. CortxVortx: For more information about the different ways to separate numbers around the world, take a look at this Wikipedia article about the history of decimal vs comma separators.

]]> By: Rob http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-11075 Rob Tue, 22 May 2007 11:54:28 +0000 http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-11075 CortxVortx - the comma for decimal point, full stop for thousands separators is the convention in much of Europe (but not the UK). I assume the info was taken from Jan Krogh's site. CortxVortx - the comma for decimal point, full stop for thousands separators is the convention in much of Europe (but not the UK). I assume the info was taken from Jan Krogh’s site.

]]> By: History in Maps « Cyberslacker http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-10861 History in Maps « Cyberslacker Mon, 21 May 2007 04:48:02 +0000 http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-10861 [...] a fascinating story - often about minor historical or territorial curios. I did not know about the enclaves of Indians and Bangladeshis in each other’s respective countries, or of the Limburg Split of [...] [...] a fascinating story - often about minor historical or territorial curios. I did not know about the enclaves of Indians and Bangladeshis in each other’s respective countries, or of the Limburg Split of [...]

]]> By: Tyler http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-10535 Tyler Fri, 18 May 2007 12:28:30 +0000 http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-10535 It looks like the number of enclaves on the map actually exceeds the numbers quoted in your text. There are seperate numberings for the pink and green sets and it totals to 224 enclaves (95 of Pakistan, and 129 of India) It looks like the number of enclaves on the map actually exceeds the numbers quoted in your text. There are seperate numberings for the pink and green sets and it totals to 224 enclaves (95 of Pakistan, and 129 of India)

]]> By: CortxVortx http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-10260 CortxVortx Wed, 16 May 2007 15:52:18 +0000 http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-10260 <i>...Balapara Khagrabari (25,95 km²), the smallest Panisala (1.093 m²).</i> Where does this use of decimals for separators and commas for decimal points come from? -- CV …Balapara Khagrabari (25,95 km²), the smallest Panisala (1.093 m²).

Where does this use of decimals for separators and commas for decimal points come from?

— CV

]]> By: The curious case of the Cooch Behar enclave complex at Blogbharti http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-9830 The curious case of the Cooch Behar enclave complex at Blogbharti Sat, 12 May 2007 06:02:29 +0000 http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-9830 [...] Strangemaps sheds a little light on the Cooch Behar enclave complex, an agglomeration of Indian territories within Bangladesh and Bangladeshi territories within India and Indian territories within Bangladeshi territories within India…and so on: In a classic example of a vicious circle, residents of enclaves need visa to cross the other country’s territory towards the ‘mainland’, but since there aren’t any consulates in the enclaves, they should go to one in the ‘mainland’ - which they can’t because they don’t have a visum. Illegal border crossings are frequent, but dangerous – a number of transgressors have been shot by border guards. Furthermore, the enclaves remain a haven for criminals who are thus immune from the justice system of the country surrounding the enclave – exactly as it was back in 1814. These and other problems have rendered the enclaves pockets of lawlessness and poverty compared to their already relatively poor motherlands. Linked by kuffir [...] [...] Strangemaps sheds a little light on the Cooch Behar enclave complex, an agglomeration of Indian territories within Bangladesh and Bangladeshi territories within India and Indian territories within Bangladeshi territories within India…and so on: In a classic example of a vicious circle, residents of enclaves need visa to cross the other country’s territory towards the ‘mainland’, but since there aren’t any consulates in the enclaves, they should go to one in the ‘mainland’ - which they can’t because they don’t have a visum. Illegal border crossings are frequent, but dangerous – a number of transgressors have been shot by border guards. Furthermore, the enclaves remain a haven for criminals who are thus immune from the justice system of the country surrounding the enclave – exactly as it was back in 1814. These and other problems have rendered the enclaves pockets of lawlessness and poverty compared to their already relatively poor motherlands. Linked by kuffir [...]

]]> By: Henry http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-9715 Henry Fri, 11 May 2007 13:21:18 +0000 http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-9715 Now I understand that (anachronistic) line in The Cannon Song from Threepenny Opera: "von Kap bis Cooch Behar." Now I understand that (anachronistic) line in The Cannon Song from Threepenny Opera: “von Kap bis Cooch Behar.”

]]> By: perpetualstudent http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-9543 perpetualstudent Thu, 10 May 2007 14:29:50 +0000 http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-9543 1.093 m2 = 1093 m2. Man, I need to get out more or at least pay better attention to the formatting of the numbers. It is still an insanely small enclave. Now somebody needs to make sure I never get a job at NASA (they wouldn't want to lose another Mars mission.) 1.093 m2 = 1093 m2. Man, I need to get out more or at least pay better attention to the formatting of the numbers. It is still an insanely small enclave.

Now somebody needs to make sure I never get a job at NASA (they wouldn’t want to lose another Mars mission.)

]]> By: aletheia kallos http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-9445 aletheia kallos Thu, 10 May 2007 04:46:56 +0000 http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/110-cooch-behar-the-mother-of-all-enclave-complexes/#comment-9445 clavology has not always seemed to me to be very discriminating or felicitous in its choice & use of terminology there are many instances of this that could be mentioned but in the present case i feel the terms counterclave & counter counterclave etc are slightly puzzling & perhaps even misleading in that there really is no presumption & shouldnt be that anything is necessarily counter to nor in any sense against anything else here but rather the situation is simply that something is reenclosed or reembedded within something already enclosing or embedding it indeed in cases of claves where there is a problem the notion of contrariness is precisely the problem so in the interest of improving the lot of enclaved peoples & also of semanticists everywhere it seems to me they & or we might all be better served if the experts dropped entirely or at least lowballed the whole idea of counterness or contrariness with its unavoidable connotations of opposing or standing against or even combatting something else etc in favor of the much richer & brighter & truer imageries & lexicons of simple reversal or inclusion or interiorness or of just being situated within something else so i would like to suggest tho admittedly none of these is quite perfect either something perhaps more like inner or reverse or inverted or reciprocal claves or even claveholes or claveclaves half in jest for the common lot of the second order claves & for the unique case of the third order clave the double reverse or doubly inverted clave or the clavehole hole or claveclave clave fully in jest as lightening it up doesnt seem to hurt the perception a bit someone has also suggested 2nd & 3rd degree claves but all such ordinal terms as these seem to me rather to avoid the opportunity & need for an actual description & would also confuse clavological topologies with the hierarchies of geopolitical subdivision anyway i hope all that wasnt too serious for anyone clavology has not always seemed to me to be very discriminating or felicitous in its choice & use of terminology

there are many instances of this that could be mentioned

but in the present case i feel the terms counterclave & counter counterclave etc
are slightly puzzling & perhaps even misleading
in that there really is no presumption & shouldnt be that anything is necessarily counter to
nor in any sense against
anything else here

but rather the situation is simply that something is reenclosed or reembedded within something already enclosing or embedding it

indeed in cases of claves where there is a problem
the notion of contrariness is precisely the problem

so in the interest of improving the lot of enclaved peoples & also of semanticists everywhere
it seems to me they & or we might all be better served if the experts dropped entirely or at least lowballed the whole idea of counterness or contrariness
with its unavoidable connotations of opposing or standing against or even combatting something else etc
in favor of the much richer & brighter & truer imageries & lexicons of simple reversal or inclusion or interiorness or of just being situated within something else

so i would like to suggest
tho admittedly none of these is quite perfect either
something perhaps more like
inner or reverse or inverted or reciprocal claves
or even claveholes or claveclaves half in jest
for the common lot of the second order claves
&
for the unique case of the third order clave
the double reverse or doubly inverted clave

or the clavehole hole
or claveclave clave
fully in jest
as lightening it up doesnt seem to hurt the perception a bit

someone has also suggested 2nd & 3rd degree claves
but all such ordinal terms as these seem to me rather to avoid the opportunity & need for an actual description
& would also confuse clavological topologies with the hierarchies of geopolitical subdivision

anyway i hope all that wasnt too serious for anyone

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