It’s the year 2053, and the world looks very different from today. There are no more than 5 superstates left on the face of the planet:
• an American Federation, covering the whole of North and South America;
• an Indian Confederation, consisting of present-day India and Birma/Myanmar (Bangladesh seems to have disappeared under the sea);
• an Asian republic dominated by China, further composed of Mongolia, Japan, Papua New Guinea, Australia and New Zealand;
• an Islamic Caliphate, occupying the whole of Africa, the Arabian Peninsula, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Armenia, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Pakistan and Indonesia;
• and the Russian Empire, uniting Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, all of Europe and Greenland.
• all states except the Russian Empire own a slice of Antarctica (I suppose that in exchange, Russia rules the North Pole all by itself).
That’s the thesis of Third Empire, a recently published futuristic novel by Mikhail Yuryev. In the book, Yuryev predicts that the Russian Empire will be re-created in a few decades’ time. This ‘Third Empire’ (I presume Tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union were the first and second) will obliterate the three Baltic states in 2015 and defeat the USA in the nuclear exchange that many feared for most of the second half of the twentieth century but was thought unthinkable after the end of the Cold War in the 1990s.
Mikhail Yuryev is a Russian businessman, the former chairman of the Russian Government’s Council on Economy and Entrepreneurship (1993-1995) and formerly a deputy speaker of the State Duma (1995-1999). He is an ultranationalist, hoping to create a strong Russia which bases itself on Christian Orthodox values. Some quotes from an article by Yuryev, titled “Identifying Russia’s Foes” and published on 6 November 2004 in the Komsomolskaya Pravda, may elucidate his stance:
“Russia is a great state and must remain as such. This means that our existence as Russians inside Russia, not as nationals of a different country living in this country, however affluent and free it may be, is a value of the highest order.”
“Developing and consolidating the Russian nation and Orthodoxy, and fostering their interests, which in fact are one and the same thing, constitute the major goal for Russia. It has greater significance for us than the interests of other peoples, or religions in Russia.”
“Russia must retain the status of an imperial country.”
“Russia must be a common home to all Russians who live here and abroad; the conditions of our compatriots in other countries is our concern.”
“The people who allege that Western countries and monetary funds of various colors offer the only right methods for building Russia’s national economy and policies are foes.”
“Those who insist that the state has no right to introduce the basics of religion into school curricula on the basis of Orthodox teaching are foes.”
It may be small wonder, then, that a reader of the online edition of The Times of London – not coincidentally from one of the Baltic republics – on May 16, 2007 replied thus to an article about Russia’s Einzelgang in foreign policy matters:
“Just a couple of months ago, a former vice-chancellor of the Russian Duma Mikhail Yuryev published a best-selling novel “The Third Empire.” (…) The present advisor to president Putin, Alexander Dugin, states on the back-cover of the book: ‘This is Russia that one should kill and die for’. It is clear to anyone who lives near the border of this former bloody empire that we are dealing with the real sentiments and attempts at the resurrection of the ‘Third Russian Reich’ . So please don’t tell the Balts about forgetting ‘their historical garbage’. Putin’s Russia is a threat to all the democratic world.”
I was notified of this book, and the intriguing map that accompanies it, by Michael Rovinsky. The book cover shows part of the map; both the cover and the entire map can be found in full here. I have no further information about the plot line of the book, but would like to hear more about it. I don’t suppose it’s out in English translation. Did anyone read it in Russian? Also, can any Russian-speakers help me with the exact translation of the ‘Chinese’ empire’s name?



Though I can only read the alphabet, and barely at that, it seems to read “Celestial Republic”: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podnebesnaya for a Wikipedian explanation of the same word used elsewhere.
Comment by Minivet — September 21, 2007 @ 12:47 am
Sheesh. There’s one in every empire…
Comment by Rey Fox — September 21, 2007 @ 12:52 am
Quote: “Russia must be a common home to all Russians who live here and abroad; the conditions of our compatriots in other countries is our concern.”
Oh noes. And I was exactly hoping to evade any concern from you guys by moving abroad…
Comment by Ivan — September 21, 2007 @ 1:30 am
Podnebesnaia literally translates as “under the sky” (in feminine adjective form).
The saber-rattling of Russian ultranationalists is hardly new. Ever since tsarist times Russia harbored an inferiority complex and had a love-hate relationship with the West. The current politicos in power, having cut their teeth in the intelligence agencies of the Soviet era, and having felt the ground crumble under their feet in 91, are simply more insecure and anxious about their ability to shape their destiny and Russia’s future. This insecurity manifests in diplomatic belligerence and in “literature” like the book you mention above. Like the shoe-thumping of decades past, this rhetoric is mostly hot air.
Comment by Victor — September 21, 2007 @ 2:23 am
What I find most “amusing” is even the idea that these great ‘empires’ would even have the remotest snowball’s chance of forming. Can you imagine the infighting that would go on in the Islamic Caliphate, much less the extreme clashes between the diverse cultures in the “Asian Republic”? Or ANY of these “empires”?
Arbitrary “empires” drawn together for geographic convenience while ignoring the real historical, cultural, and ideologic differences of the regions within that “empire” are nothing but laughable. While it makes for an interesting (and brief) thought experiment, there is no reality here.
Comment by Brie — September 21, 2007 @ 2:37 am
Agreed, Brie. Since, on the strength of such notions as you mention, he also seems to refuse to tolerate the possibility of a continuing, independent Canada – sorry, Канада – in addition to everything else, Gospodin Yuryev can kindly stuff himself.
Comment by Dwight Williams — September 21, 2007 @ 2:43 am
I’m trying to make out the capitals/major cities that are marked; I don’t know Russian and the typeface is blurred, but it looks like:
*Russia: Moscow, Petersburg, Novosibirsk, Berlin, Almaty (renamed Alma-Ata!)
•India:Delhi
•Asia:Peking? It’s moved pretty far inland
•Islamic:Medina? Why not Mecca?
•Americas:???Somewhere on Jamaica called Alparedy??? That nuking must have been pretty comprehensive,,,
Comment by mollymooly — September 21, 2007 @ 2:55 am
“Alparedu”, actually :P
Comment by POL — September 21, 2007 @ 3:31 am
Mecca is probably busy without being an Imperial capital.
Given this incredibly unlikely situation I think such an empire would probably have a brand new city for its capital. The Red Sea coast in the general region of Mecca might be a good option, but I don’t think Mecca or Medina would really work out – unless being the capital was more a ceremonial title and the “real” capital was nearby.
I really enjoy these fictional repartitionings. I’ve been making one myself in GE lately and it’s been far too much fun. Ironically (considering what I’m responding to) it has a heavily partitioned Russia :)
Comment by Hungry Donner — September 21, 2007 @ 4:46 am
Поднебесная comes from roots meaning “Under Heaven”, which I gather is how the Chinese refer to their empire.
Comment by Student of Russian — September 21, 2007 @ 4:50 am
‘Podnebesnaya’ seems to be a Russian term directed especially towards China, and is in fact related to the word ‘celestial’ as mentioned earlier. It basically translates ‘the greatest power on earth, second only to the heavens’.
In other words, Russia is heaven, and the communist ally of China is it’s right-hand man.
Comment by Vic — September 21, 2007 @ 4:56 am
“Since … he also seems to refuse to tolerate the possibility of a continuing, independent Canada – sorry, Канада – in addition to everything else, Gospodin Yuryev can kindly stuff himself.”
Indeed. All these sci-fi authors who envision some grand North American state have never been to Quebec, or they’d realize it would never happen. (After all, it’s Montreal where they boo the American anthem at hockey games.)
Comment by Paul D — September 21, 2007 @ 5:01 am
I do not know it this applies to English language too, but we Italians called the Chinese Empire “Celeste impero” (Celestial Empire), so it seems that Yuryev thought that also the Chinese people, even if formally remained a Republic, wanted to remind the world of thein ancient status.
Comment by .mau. — September 21, 2007 @ 7:56 am
Russia’s 3rd Empire!
Or at least one novelist’s vision of it….
http://www.s3000.narod.ru/20070309book2053.jpg
via Strangemaps
…
Trackback by None are so deaf as those that won't listen — September 21, 2007 @ 8:05 am
One of the common poetic terms for both the earth and for China in Mandarin (since China consists of almost everything on earth) is “Tianxia,” or “Under Heaven.” (This got badly mistranslated in the American version of Hero–they called it “Our Land.”) Traditionally, the Emperor was the Son of Heaven and ruled all “Under Heaven”.
Now, this is not the way people think today. They understand that their country, while important, is not the end all be all of the world. It is doubtful they would name themselves that.
Comment by William — September 21, 2007 @ 8:24 am
Looks like most of Antarctica is Irish!
Comment by xy — September 21, 2007 @ 9:07 am
This reminds me of the map reconstructed from Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty-Four” – Wikipedia version: http://www.righteous-one.com/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL2VuLndpa2lwZWRpYS5vcmcvd2lraS9JbWFnZToxOTg0X2ZpY3Rpb3VzX3dvcmxkX21hcC5wbmc%3D
For those of us not literate in Russian, you can get a sense of the book review page linked to in the Strange Maps article with a machine translation.
Go to: http://babelfish.altavista.com/
Copy and paste the link :
http://www.s3000.narod.ru/20070309.htm
into the Translate a Web page box and select Russian to English
Comment by phil — September 21, 2007 @ 9:12 am
Looks like us Aussies are in trouble – made part of the Asian Empire and bang next to the Islamic one? Hmm, actually, that’s not too far from the current situation, now I think about it. However, I do think that New Zealand would have a few choice words to say about being amalgamated – and I certainly wouldn’t want to take on an army of angry Maoris!
Comment by eatingthelotus — September 21, 2007 @ 10:10 am
hmm,this map is a possibility.Think about it.The european union is a reality.There are similar rumbles in asia and africa.However there could be two american nations.
dont think this will not happen by annexing.It will be something like the EU. few renegades will be forced to join by other means.
i completely disagree with the war theory.As man civilize’s,the war as a means of settling disputes will fade.If you have noticed there are far lesser wars in this century compared to the preceding ones.Of course it will take some time before we can civilize the laden’s and the bush’s.however peace will prevail
Comment by nikin — September 21, 2007 @ 10:45 am
As USA was defeated in a nuclear war, the president of the American Federation Will be Chavez(helped by medical advances, designed previously for Castro).
Comment by Rappel — September 21, 2007 @ 11:56 am
This was the plot of the 1987 arcade game, “Strider.”
HE WILL NEVER LEAVE EURASIA ALIVE!
Comment by Rob Beschizza — September 21, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
There is no way that us (southamericans)(with exception of chileans) will join in a confederate state with the US.
And i’m telling you this being a not so anti-us southamerican.
rgrds,
Comment by ACI from Argentina — September 21, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
I’m reading this site at while, though this is the first time that I post… I just wanted to say: nice job! and keep going on, it’s an amazing site.
Comment by Don — September 21, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Considering the collapse of Russian demographics, this map is bound to remain pure fantasy !
Comment by Proton — September 21, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
Ah Berlin, back in the clutches of the Motherland again.
Comment by teresa — September 21, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
Very good maps!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Greetings from São Paulo/Brazil
Comment by Joannis — September 21, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
I have a hard time thinking that the USA would dominate anything south of Texas, save that some sort of protracted trade war across the Atlantic & Pacific drove central & south America into close orbit.
The thought that Russia could actually *hold* an empire spanning so much area (especially since the Eastern periphery is so sparsely populated). Especially given China’s by-now established designs on monopolizing resources in this area.
I also agree that Antarctica looks strangely Irish – a nice and assuredly unintentional joke.
Please remember, everyone, this is a map that is ONLY about propaganda, nothing more. It is representative of a longing, not geopolitical likelihood. To my eyes, I have a hard time believing that the whole world will be divided into five nicely fitting ‘nations’ that fit like a child’s puzzle. It tells us about the map creator’s desire, not the world we live in.
All that said – it’s provocative. Look at how many comments it generated, and so quickly. It makes me think of things that have no DIRECT relationship to the map – but rather the interesting anxieties and interest of we in the community of bizarro-map-aficionados.
Comment by docbadwrench — September 21, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
There is the possibility, since nuclear war is suggested, that many of the major capital cities have been destroyed, hence their relocation, and that these super-states have formed simply as a form of self-support and defence.
Comment by Tim R-T-C — September 21, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
Wow, is that ever a power fantasy. All of Europe capitulates to the might of the new Soviet army? While at the same time India remains independent, despite hemmed in on one side by the Middle East and on the other side by China? It’s an interesting map — and honestly, the idea of a world fractured into only 7 or 8 nations is a common science fiction theme — but the whole thing just screams of nationalist escapist fantasy.
Comment by El Santo — September 21, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
docbadwrench said: “All that said – it’s provocative. Look at how many comments it generated, and so quickly. It makes me think of things that have no DIRECT relationship to the map – but rather the interesting anxieties and interest of we in the community of bizarro-map-aficionados.”
While some of that may be true, it’s not necessarily evidence of the author’s craftsmanship. A review this morning (in the Onion AV Club) of the Mike Myers “Cat in the Hat” movie also generated many comments in a short span of time as well, but that doesn’t mean that the source work was an effective insight into a beloved children’s book.
Comment by El Santo — September 21, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
Podnebesnaya means “under the sky” in Russian and it’s a name that the Russians use for the ancient Chinese empire. It has nothing to do with China being second to Russia, it’s a just a historical name used in Russia.
Comment by Stas Nikiforov — September 21, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
Good point, El Santo. Let me reiterate that I don’t think the map’s author was some map expert. I just meant what you, in fact, pointed out – that it’s not evidence of the author’s craftmanship, just the knee-jerk nationalism.
Comment by docbadwrench — September 21, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
“Russia must retain the status of an imperial country.”
Ah, yes, the time-tested solution to chronic domestic problems : invade another country…
Comment by brian t — September 21, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
*Russia: Almaty (renamed Alma-Ata!)
Comment by mollymooly — September 21, 2007 @
Actually, Alma-Ata is the old name for the city. The Khazakistani capital was known by that name during the USSR years. A possible homage to the years of Communism?
Comment by Darrel Jones — September 21, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
@Darrel Jones “Actually, Alma-Ata is the old name for the city.”
Yes, I know; the re- in “rename” was meant as “back” rather than “again”
Comment by mollymooly — September 21, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
not even remotely likely.
Comment by bolis — September 21, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
To quote the Australian comedy film THE CASTLE:
“Tell him he must be dreaming!”
;-P
Comment by A.R.Yngve — September 21, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
Well…
It is quite possible that United Europe will incorporate Russia de-facto through economical mechanisms.
Gazprom and Tranneft are transnational companies. This is the fact.
It is possible that in the future transnational companies will divide the spheres of their interest globally in geographic manner.
it is possible that transnational companies will assume so much power that they will have to manage the social problems and fulfil other funtions that are used to be performed by traditional governments.
I can even imagine, that most of the incorporated countries will retain their sovereignity, at the level of Quebec :-)
Comment by James — September 21, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
Shouldn’t it be “Burma/Myanmar” rather then “Birma” ?
Comment by Lurker — September 21, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
I was thinking about the use of the term “Third Empire.” While the book might be referring to Czarist Russia and the Soviet Union as the First and Second Empires respectively, the term “Third Empire” is also very similar to a term that has been used to refer to Russia generally in the past – “The Third Rome”. Russians have used it to indicate that, as both the world’s foremost Orthodox nation and a global power, they are the successor to the Roman Empire (First Empire) and the Byzantine Empire(Constantinople). See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Rome. I couldn’t help but think that the term “Third Empire” might also be a reference to Russia’s status as heir to these prior Mediterranean empires.
Comment by Mark C. — September 21, 2007 @ 10:06 pm
Ezekiel 38:15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, a mighty army: And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the last days.
Draw a line north of Israel and you run right into Moscow.
Comment by formerthings — September 21, 2007 @ 11:40 pm
Defeat the USA in a nuclear exchange? Doesn’t he know in global thermonuclear war the only winning move is not to play?
Comment by Kevin — September 22, 2007 @ 4:34 am
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Huh, that Yuriev is a funny lad: he was a prodigy kid and graduated from the university while still in his teens, got elected to the Duma on the ticket of a liberal and pro-Western Yabloko party, did some business but presumabely failed. And now all he’s got is this crazy map.
Comment by Zdravko — September 22, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
>I was thinking about the use of the term “Third Empire.”
It’s something like the Fourth Republic of Kaczynski bros. in Poland. An odd idea with a pompous name.
Comment by Zdravko — September 22, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
Why does everyone think that the current USA would dominate the Amerikanskaya Federatseya? Yurayev’s fantasy involves a nuclear war, where presumably the USA gets the worst of it, but somehow Russian cities survive. Maybe he thinks Brazil will dominate.
Comment by JeffL — September 22, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
So Israel, Jordan, and Lebanon (from what I can make out) are included in the Russian Empire … I can’t even fathom the dynamics behind THAT particular land grab. The Russian ultranationalists aren’t known to be too friendly to Jews from what I’ve read.
Comment by Carl — September 22, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
What a laugh. In reality, the population death spiral known as Russia will be lucky to still have a national identity in 2053. China will most likely have taken Siberia by then, and Russia won’t have taken over Europe — the Islamic Caliphate will have.
Comment by Shaky — September 22, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
Jeff commented:
“Why does everyone think that the current USA would dominate the Amerikanskaya Federatseya?”
My thinking exactly. I’m thinking a Hispanic federation of Central and Southern American nations taking over the US (especially after a nuclear war) with the official language as Espanol. Hence nothing north of the US/Mexico border.
Comment by Don Hargraves — September 23, 2007 @ 12:04 am
Although many in the USA wouldn’t be too pleased with a scenario where their population is decimated and the survivors conquered by Latin America, there would be at least one serious benefit:
The US would finally go on the Metric System!
Comment by Darrel Jones — September 23, 2007 @ 1:06 am
Am I the only one who noticed a similarity with this map and Orwell’s world in 1984?
Comment by Panday — September 23, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
This map is a poor representation of what the world in 50 years would look like.
North America would most definitely be united but the difference between North and South America is night and day. Brazil should be given more credit and it should be known that the US and Canada with Brazil and Venezuela would be incompatible. Most likely the western continents would be as divided politically as they are physically. South America resembles Africa more than it does North America. Places like Columbia, Chile, and Peru are incompatible with northern beliefs. The only country that would be semi-compatible with North America is Argentina which the United States has already damaged relationships with.
Russia and Europe would just not unite. This is obvious. They are two different grains. Europe has the power to stand alone and Russia has the power to take back much of its CIS states.
China has more power than this author gives credit for and India does not have the power to stand alone as it is more connected to Western influence considering it does not appreciate its borders with Islam and China it has no choice but to find solace in the West. Australia is also similar in the same regards, they would not be on the same footing with China.
There would be a Muslim state though, mainly in the middle east and North Africa. However Central Africa and below would form something different. Muslims would not rule the biggest cities in Africa which are largely Christian. The Muslims hold less and less power the farther south you go.
The reason why a Muslim state would have enough power to stand on its own would be because the problems within it are so strict any other influence that tries to change it (think America and Iraq) is just going to end up losing a lot of money with little to no progress of influence. However the Islam state would be the weakest due to their own internal oppression.
I can only see the Central and Southern parts of Africa allying with the West or more likely South America.
In my map of 50 years and the major instances that occur to make only a few states there would be no less than 6 “states”: the European Union, a North American Union, a South American Union, a Russian Union, an Asian Union (run by China), a Muslim Union (in Middle East and North Africa).
An African Union would be possible but potentially too weak. India and Australia would find themselves aligned with the West before they joined the Muslim or Asian Union.
Comment by Cananopie — September 23, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
The russians are coming, the russians are coming!
Comment by jad — September 23, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
West-Russia will be part of the EU and the rest… part of China (China wants Russia’s natural resources and land)
Comment by Janek — September 23, 2007 @ 7:32 pm
That’s right.
Oceania rules America
(but it’s the only common point, because Great Britain and her Commonwelth have disappeared)
so I take it that the Pan-American federation is the fullfilment of president Monroe’s Doctrine.
Eastasia is shared between India and China, and I don’t see why Australia would be chinese. Are there lots of chinese immigrants?
Eurasia is, nevertheless, perfectly rendered: Russia has won against Othman Empire in Crimea and has taken every last bit of Europe western of Berlin’s wall. Good job, Mr. Nationalist.
The great Califat stays a surprise here… I don’t think that the two thirds of christian Africans will be easily converted into islam, and Antarctic seems a bit too far for the arabian riders.
Comment by Tertius — September 23, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
And don’t forget:
War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength.
Comment by Tertius — September 23, 2007 @ 9:20 pm
The biggest mistake in that guy’s opinion is he think russians do care about Russia’s growth. He s terribly wrong: not at all I do care about this country. And like 80% of citizens who aren’t in oil-sucking/nickel/aluminium industries. I’d prefer to see people working in case if Russia will fall apart during next oil crysis rather then just drink vodka and see how government is making money for personal purposes from nature resources.
=)
Comment by PK — September 23, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
We, American Federation, must attack Russian Empire for Greenland, Sweden and Romania. Attack Islamic Caliphate for Madagascar. Attack Asian Republic for Tasmania. Attack Indian Confederation for their land on Antarctica just so we have a reason to attack them. I also believe in the year 2053, American Federation will own the moon :)
Comment by MicJovi — September 23, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
The future ain’t what it used to be….
Yeah, it is.
Nothing changed.
Guys with impressive sounding credentials make predictions about the future and people take them seriously.
Let’s check the map of the world in fifty years time and see how wrong he was.
Comment by The Chinatat — September 23, 2007 @ 11:36 pm
OK, I think I have just discovered a new favorite blog. I just happened upon this strange-maps blog today, and I can already tell I am going to be spending many, many hours enjoying this stuff.
Regarding this proposed map of the future, and the prospect of a newly re-surgent Soviet Empire, – well, some of it is possible, and some of it is pure fiction. And while SOME of the proposed empires could come about, it’s a 100% certainty that they all wont come about simultaneously. That scenario would require the confluence of too many unlikely events..
A few thoughts… An earlier commenter made the point about Europe integrating Russia by economic means. If Putin’s legacy is the death of democracy and a re-born centrally planned Soviet-style empire, then Russia will NOT be a part of the EU by integration OR by conquering. It would NOT have the ability to conquer Europe by force. The EU’s economic output is on a par with the United States now and – if threatened – it’s military could be on a par with the US too. The only way the Red empire on this map will come about will be by peaceful integration and a common desire on the part of Europe and Russia for Economic prosperity and shared military security. If the red “empire” comes about in this fashion, it can only be a good thing for this world- including Russia. If it goes the other way, and we are looking at a re-surgent Soviet Empire, then it will be a SMALLER empire than before. They won’t be re-taking Eastern Europe without American and European military intervention, and quite frankly, I dont think that they will be up to the challenge of strapping on China either- which is becoming an economic powerhouse in it’s own right. China has all the money in the world to build as big a military as it has to and can feild an army of 100 million if they need to. If the Russians are dumb enough to head south, they will lose all of Siberia and half the russian landmass to the Chinese for their troubles. Clearly the Russians have ambitions in the arctic, and expansion there could probably happen without the west thinking it’s worth fighting World War III. But they wont be taking Greenland unless it’s over our dead bodies, and the UK will NEVER be part of any Soviet empire, nor would the US allow it.
The Caliphate is a much more likely and worrisome possibility. The poor, miserable, opressed muslims of the middle east have a common religious bond that joins them together much more than arbitrary borders and transitory dictatorships would be prone to seperate them- and that is Islam. The jihadists and the revolutionaries are on the march in that part of the world. Musharaf is clinging to power by a thread, Mubarak wont live forever, and with the power vacume we created in Iraq, It’s easy to see Iran dominating the whole of the Persian Gulf. Certainly Islam is spreading it’s tentacles in Africa, and Asia. Only America can stop this- if anybody can. Definitly, we are faced with a “containment” type strategic scenario similar to our approach to communism in the Cold War that may or may not be sucessful.
If Chinese flirtation with Capitalism winds up blossoming into full-fledged Democracy, then China will be the next great power in the world. They certainly COULD head an “empire of the willing” in asia based on trade. But it would be along the lines of European economic integration of Russia, as opposed to military conquering on the part of China. The US wont tolerate any military threats to Korea, Japan,India or Taiwan. Although Chinese expansion into areas like indonesia, malaysa etc may actually be in the US’s national interests, and we might allow it- to check Islam’s expansion if those dominos do start falling. The Red-line for the US would be the Philipines and Australia. That’s not happening. As far as India, I could see them becoming a willing part of a “Greater asia co-prosperity sphere” but it would be an economic relationship with military ties-to offset pakistan and the potential caliphates’ power coming from that direction, not a case of China conquering India persay.
As far as as a joined North/South/Central America goes- it’s not happening. Free-trade is where it ends. At some point, Americans are going to have had enough of this illegal alien invasion crap and kick all of the wetbacks right back across the border. A virtual high-tech sensor fence should make it possible for the border patrol to actually interdict any illegal crossers, and biometric ID’s and harsh sentences for employers should remove the lure to cross in the first place. Believe me, this crap won’t continue forever. Americans have had about enough of it.
I look forward to browsing these maps and engaging in all sorts of arm-chair geopolitical punditry. GREAT BLOG! – Ty Harris
http://tyharris.wordpress.com
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India will be the smallest? Not fair. I want Pakistan to be in India. And some of Australia too.
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#62 Indian — Hey, at least India will still exist, unlike pretty much 90% of the world. That’s quite an achievement: even powerful nations like Japan, Germany, and Great Britain couldn’t stay autonomous on this map.
Comment by El Santo — September 24, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
There’s a Poul Anderson short story from the 1960s that deals with the after-effects of a Soviet (read: Russian) conquest of Europe complicated by the American annihilation of Russia. Wackiness ensues.
Comment by Randy McDonald — September 24, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
I wonder why Phil put the 1984 map in that strange frame.
Comment by Anton Sherwood — September 24, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
Россия вечна!!!!
Comment by afrodita007 — September 25, 2007 @ 8:32 am
Россия навсегда!!!! Україна це круто!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by afrodita007 — September 25, 2007 @ 8:33 am
I didn’t hear about this guy. He’s just a “darmoyEd” – sorry, I can’t translate: that mean a person, talking a “wisdomly” tales just for a money. Nothing more than empty words. Ask your russian friends about word “pizdezh” (warning: obscene!) and “chmo”.
Sorry for bad english.
Comment by Yourself — September 25, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
Did you realize that New Guinea still gets artificially divided in one Chinese and one Indian halves?
Comment by Efectivie Wonder — September 27, 2007 @ 10:11 am
Quite aside from the question of the probability of the geopolitical situation depicted in the map, the style is quite old-fashioned. It could have been drawn a hundred years ago.
Comment by cloudberry — September 28, 2007 @ 1:43 am
That future doesn’t seem very likely…
Everybody knows that that’s not how the world is going to turn out. In the year 3000, we will have the following empires / territories :
http://archives.arte-tv.com/hebdo/dessouscartes/20000401/image/01.JPG
I’m looking for the same map but in english, but can’t seem to find it right now…
This map is from a french geopolitics show called “les dessous des cartes” (“underneath the maps”) :
http://archives.arte-tv.com/hebdo/dessouscartes/20000401/ftext/start.html
This particular map seems to be based on the works of “hungarian professor Gabor Bötsi-Jomierczwicz” (that’s what it says on top of the page, but no hits on google :( )
Great site btw !
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It makes more sense that the powers own Antarticia, I thought the green, white and orange colours were the Irish flag since the Emerals Isle is Soviet
Comment by Liam Foley — October 4, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
Well, he’s no climate change denialist. That’s why Bangladesh is ocean once more.
Comment by egregious — October 5, 2007 @ 4:06 am
Just my two cents,
North and South America united, Is this how things look from Russia? I don’t see it happening. More likely a North American sphere and a South American sphere, probably fighting it out in Central America for dominance.
If the United States and Russia fought a nuclear war and Russia won (whatever that means) shouldn’t there be big black areas covering anything of interest in Russia and both coasts of the USA, a no mans land of radioactivity that no one wanted?
If China was aggressively expanding it’s empire, and the Russian army was engaged (and presumably diminished) in an all out war with the USA, I would expect to see China scooping up most of Russia’s western territory. There should be a lot more orange north of Mongolia on the map.
I wouldn’t bet any money on an Arab/African Caliphate. With oil in demand, nuclear weapons on the table, and a (relatively) stable world order out the window, I think the Middle East would be ripped apart by China, India, and North America.
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It is always with great sadness and embarrassment that I read psychotic statements like this one. I am from former Soviet Union and I feel and always felt that Russia was and is a great country. Although my understanding of greatness is somewhat different from Yuryev’s. For me, it is about people’s great capacity to survive and retain their dignity and compassion in conditions beyond tolerance, to grow and develop even when their government barely allows them to breath, it is about spirituality, culture, nature … and also it is about people’s great capacity to love Russia and to be its advocate living in the West even when psychotics like Yuryiev humiliate Russia world-wide. And for goodness sake, at present Russia has problems so numerous and so urgent, that all efforts should be directed to solving them. Those problems are very internal and should be solved internally, problems about ordinary people’s lives, health, their children and their future. Get real, Mikhail, attend to this if you have energy, power and intelligence instead of promulgating your sick delusions!!!
Comment by victoria — October 12, 2007 @ 8:08 am
the third empire – das dritte Reich!… has come and gone, but who would ever have believed it would come!
Comment by hamsheutan — October 18, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
The coolest thing about the map is, that Ireland has relocated itself to the south pole.
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Hi
I just read lithuanian review of this book.
By 2112 east Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus are parts of Third Empire. In 2019 Russia provokes war with US. Russia wins this war because they have 3 things nobody else has: 1. satellites that can disrupt US communications with incredibly strong magnetic field. 2. very secret fleet of invisible submarines 3. thingie that can stop nuclear reactions thus converting all American nukes into big bricks. After nuclear. In these wars Russia will occupy rest of Europe and whole of US. In these wars Germany will be friend of Russia. Russia will expand Israel into Sinai Peninsula and part of Syria and the convert Israel into island using explosives to dig huge ditch. Jews will love Russia for that. Vatican will be rebuilt in the Caribbean island. Greatest enemies of Russia Lithuanians Latvians and Estonians will be killed of, their capitals renamed Ivangorod, Aleksejevsk and Aleksandrovsk
Comment by LuDux — December 9, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
Hello All, Great blogs. This map is merely fiction, from a book; however, it is great to theorize about. So here I go.
China was the smart one. They geared their communist society around money not military. They built factories and created an economic empire.
Russia kept dumping all their money and resources into building a bigger and better military, and went broke. Now realizing the power of economics Russia is rebounding and utilizing the huge oil reserves to build a powerful economy. Hopefully Putin will not continue his Military build up plan and continue on the path to economic greatness for Russia.
What this could create is a united Chinese and Russian partnership that combines the two powers economically and eventually militarily. If these two powers began to control the world economically it could create partnerships on the American continent that could lead to cooperation similar to what is depicted on this map. Not countries, but Unions such as the EU.
With Russia having huge oil reserves the Chinese need, and China having the economic power to affect the global economy most countries would either join the Russian-Chinese Union or the American union. Some remaining countries would attempt to stand alone or would unite in their own way.
The Chinese are preparing for a technological war. Computer Hacking and Virus attacks, Satellite removal (rocket attacks on our satellites, already tested), and reliance on Chinese Exports to name a few. If these two countries pulled together they could collectively control the world without the use of conventional weaponry. The EU would have to decide to join their neighbors or try to stand against them with an ally across the ocean.
Interesting concept. Scary concept.
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How’s this for inconsistencies:
If Bangladesh goes under due to rising sea levels, then why is Florida still on the map? They’d need a mother of a dike, and I’m not sure Chaney’s daughter’s planning to move to Miami.
Armenia, a Christian country, gets into the Caliphate, but Azerbaijan, a Muslim one, does not.
Indonesia, Muslim, gets into the Caliphate, but Malaysia does not.
The disputed islands claimed by Japan remain in Russian hands, despite the rest of Japan joining China. I guess Sino-Russian relations will not be affected by any resource claims on China’s part.
What the heck are Arabs going to do with their part of Antarctica? They’d have to burn through all their oil just to warm up the planet enough to make that continent cool, rather than the current f&*$ing freezing.
If Greenland goes to Russia, why not Alaska?
Oh well, I guess that’s why there are sequels.
Comment by WarrenW — February 12, 2008 @ 1:09 am
This whole thing is simply preposterous. If anything, there will be more countries in 2053 than there are now. Witness the birth of independent Kosovo. There may be blocks with common interests, financial and economic ties but empires are dead.
Comment by Blue — February 20, 2008 @ 5:31 pm
Entertaining, if not realistic, but I find it interesting he wouldn’t want to reclaim Alaska.
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it´s impossible
Comment by noelia — March 14, 2008 @ 2:16 pm
Now you see how sick Russians are… The craziest nation on earth… Now way that they ever be allowed to spread their sick ideas…
Comment by andza — March 25, 2008 @ 7:42 am
Typical leftover soviet belief that a full scale nuclear war can be won. The sheer volume of destruction from the US counter attack (yes it would regardless of if a liberal president were in place) would pretty much obliterate most of the world.
Comment by Claidhmhor — April 13, 2008 @ 4:14 pm
I’ve also mentioned your blog and added this map on my blog in Esperanto! Thanks for the good posts!
Comment by Gebeleizis — May 8, 2008 @ 9:18 pm
this is the bumest map ever i swa in my life this will never happen and dont even take this serious because 13 south american countrs made a new union a rivan union agenst usa and you all can see usa is bankroped and its economy is corraptedit will never takre control of the south america never on the other hand russia will not take europe because europian union is one of the world power and onother thing russia vice president puten works on rebuilding soviet union and alredy 3 countrs joinde the bel;arus-russian state union and 4 more countrs are thinking to join buy 2010 but they wil not control all the europe and russia federation maby new USSR in future and usa are the super powers again but buy 2012 russia will be the main super power because usa in corrapted and bankroped but they will be #2 super power i got this from top usa goverment
Comment by roma — May 30, 2008 @ 10:45 pm
russia is the main power in the world now fore uerope and asia with its enery resorces and oil and hase best nuclear worhams that can destroy 200 usa citys in lest than 2 minutes while usa can onlt destry 140-150 its weak compare to russia and even usa top goverment anounced that russia is the only countr in the world that can take down nato buy its self because iof its new nuclear navy and air power also russia hase #largest army in the world buy hase the most solders in the world that are redy to secrefaise theyr life any day more that even china.. this map above will never happen because usa will never control south america and china will never control south east asia or japan but as roma said russia is working on new USSR is true i swa this on fox9 news and on goverment news also i am happy because russia and usa are making theys relations better this is good
Comment by valic — May 30, 2008 @ 10:52 pm
russia hase most nuclear wepens and the best navy and air power in the world from 2007 and—> i am an american buy i love russia rilly much because i am tenkful fore them because they saved use from otoma empire in ww1 and they sacrafised most solders in the world so we can be saved neaw thenk you russia fore all your love but not like usa fighting and never hade peace in theys life and they dont do nothing good in the world but they doing bad things fore them selvs like bankroped and the economy iscorapted compare to china and russia because china hase #1 economy while russia #2 they the best countrys to live neaw while buy 2040 top world news sad on tv that russia china brazil india will be richest countrs and best economys the name of the union is BRIC = brazil,russia,india,china
Comment by trevor — May 30, 2008 @ 10:59 pm
russia always hade the world bigest empire and strongest nation from the begining.. and about russia begining to make the empire you all can go to cnn news or top goverment news and see that russia alredy is begening to take former soviet union countrys back in the russian federation union the first contry joined russia wase belarus and neaw kazacstan trukistan and 3 other countrs ar reddy to make the union in 2011 and will chenge the map of europe and asia.. and you all can see on usa top goverment that usa is bankroped and economic corapted and is behinde the russian power because russia hase the best military nuclear navy air power and grownd power as usa top goverment anounced also russia hase the fastest economy grwong from 2008 it even beat china last year.. good luck russia make every countr weack as they were before soviet union brock up..
Comment by roma — June 10, 2008 @ 10:22 pm
is that true???????????????!
Comment by hina samuel — June 20, 2008 @ 12:56 pm
common are you serious? First of all The Balkans will never join The Third Empire. They would rather die as they did in the 20th century before joining with Russia, They resisted the Austro-Hungarian Empire and they were next door. I hardly doubt that they will be willing to take orders from a Kremlin that is more than 2000 miles away. Second, The American Federation will NEVER become a reality since most spanish Speaking countries hate the U.S with the exeptions of My mother colombia, Chile and Mexico.(Purely for interests and benefits)There would be a Chilean-Argentinean federation, Brazil and the Guyanas, Colombia,Peru,Equador,Venezuela,Panama and Costa Rica would form the Andean Empire under rule from the Imperial Capital and Family at Bogota(Just like 190 years ago and would probably be the beacon of power in the Western Hemisphere due to Colombia’s new and emerging economic power. There is also The Central American Union, compromised of Mexico belize,nicaragua and all those with Mexico city as the capital. The U.S. and Canada would definitely merge due to the similarities in culture, economics, and all the likes. This is what the world would look more like in the future. China would be extended westward and NOT upward or southward. They would take over and partission India between themselves and the VERY REAL THREAT OF THE ISLAMIC CALIPHATE. Australia would be in a league of its own do to its isolation from the rest of the world. AS for Europe The European Union would take all of europe destroying the republics and federations and placing in their stead the Old World Royals of times past.(there is even talk of it now) exept for the former dominions of the Russian Empure which will be returned and are beginnin to(which is Putins dream after anointing and proclaiming himself Emperor and Autocrat of all the Russias) Africa is another matter entirely. With their current problems with Ethnic Clensing(such as the case in Rwanda and Burundi in the 90’s there is just no telling what might happen in a few decades(let alone this one) Northern Africa will definitely join the Caliphate yet the rest of the continent will probably continue to change as the matter of tribal and political warfare worsens so there would be no definite super country in this area unless a treaty is signed. (which is absolutely impossible)This is as it has been said before a dream of a autoritarian crazy madman with delirious visions of the future as it will never happen. Antarctica is too frigid for anyone to step on and if the claims there are made these would be purely De Facto and not at all feaceable due to the fact THAT NO MAN CAN STAY THERE PERMANENTLY!!! This is a more realistic way of defacing the world in the next 50 years.
Comment by howard — August 23, 2008 @ 8:02 am
When Russian foreign minister can afford using F” words during the conversation with British foreign minister it’s time to act. If anyone thinks that this map is a fiction is terribly wrong.
Comment by Vladimir — September 17, 2008 @ 2:25 am
thanks
Comment by hero — October 15, 2008 @ 4:49 pm
Well of course the U.S.A. will, would, and should rule all the Americas. One reason which is a fact that America is the number one super country leaving the U.K. Australians and Canadians running in second.
Comment by Lelouch — December 4, 2008 @ 11:46 pm
hogwash
Comment by kristoflaw — January 8, 2009 @ 1:01 pm
@cananopie: “india does not appreciate its borders”.
-Three attacks from Pakistan in 1947, 1965 and 1999 and one from China in 1962.
-India has more muslims than any country in the world save Indonesia. So they’re pretty much at home with the muslims and vice versa. Any attack launched by them wouldnt materialse in a 850 million hindu inhabited country and any atack against them wouldnt materialise since its a democracy where muslims have traditionally fared better there than ANY OTHER muslim dominated country.
-India has nukes as do China and Pakistan. Borders of India will simply not be redrawn as far as India is concerned due to a phenomenon called Mutually Assured Destruction.
This is a good blog and the commentary so far is of a fairly high quality. Please dont ruin it with uneducated guesswork.
Comment by Someone rightly — March 2, 2009 @ 10:04 am
I remember reading reviews of this book and some parts of it online after it was published. It was rare sample of rabid xenophobia, extreme chauvinism, militarism and imperial obsession.
When you read the book you can literally feel insane blinding hatred seeping off every line of it as a deadly, corrosive poison.
Amongst other things (there is a lot of them) it is advocating terrorism on American soil and genocide against nations of Eastern Europe. And, of course, wars of conquest and domination all over the globe. In any civilized country publishing such a book would be a criminal offense.
Along the general lines it extremely resembles Nazi way of thinking.
The most worrying of all is that the man ho wrote it comes from Russia’s ruling elite.
Also, as a minor episode book describes Russia taking control over South Ossetia and Abkhazia, just like they actually did last year. Which makes you wonder, if this book isn’t just a delirium it might seem at first, but instead correctly depicts modern way of thinking of Kremlin.
Comment by red.herring — March 4, 2009 @ 8:16 am
You can read summary (in Russian) here: http://www.s3000.narod.ru/20070309.htm
or full version online here:
fictionbook.ru/author/yurev_mihail/tretya_imperiya/
Comment by red.herring — March 4, 2009 @ 8:21 am
Here is another scenario for the New Russian Empire, which can appear by 2025, enjoy :-)
http://knol.google.com/k/alexander-emilfaro/-/kpxsjkpzgwux/15
Comment by Emilfaro — March 27, 2009 @ 5:08 pm
thank you
Comment by Tony — May 4, 2009 @ 3:06 am
thanks for this map..
good
luck
Comment by Solomon — May 11, 2009 @ 8:37 am
merci
Comment by aspicco . — May 17, 2009 @ 5:36 am
Vielen Dank
Comment by moon — July 3, 2009 @ 4:39 am
Muchas gracias
Comment by sun — July 4, 2009 @ 7:10 am
China will Conquest Japan,that’s for sure.
Comment by David King — August 19, 2009 @ 1:20 pm
russians went crazy.soon we will see collapsed russia
Comment by davit — August 27, 2009 @ 6:06 pm
I like how most of Antarctica looks just like the Irish flag.
Comment by Pumpkin — September 24, 2009 @ 4:42 pm
russians went crazy.soon lol
Comment by topmaxtech — October 13, 2009 @ 11:26 pm
I don’t think anyone is going to be constituting any empires or amalgamating a super state if there is a nuclear conflict between Russia and the US, let alone those two states. If Russia or the US survived a nuclear holocaust then they are going to be a pale shadow of their former selves and struggle to maintain the existence of their states rather than double or triple their territorial size.
In fact to put it bluntly I don’t think there is going to be any super states if there was a nuclear conflict and human civilization would be struggling to survive and recover from such an event. What a more realistic map would show would be the populations of areas and where major cities and human population centers still exist. I’d assume most of the northern hemisphere’s populations would be wiped out. ALl of Europe, the US, Russia and I think China, the Middle East and Central – Southern asia too (i’m thinking India-Pakistan)would be devestated. This doesn’t leave much left for these power blocs that Yuryev has predicted, unless u want to preside over control of nuclear wastelands. Perhaps we will have to go live in Antarctica and the South Pole.
To get just an inkling of how much destruction a nucelar war between the US and Russia would lead to try reading about US projections of the death toll of a nuclear war during the Cold War http://www.ellsberg.net/archive/us-nuclear-war-planning-for-a-hundred-holocausts
and although this is a Cold War projection nuclear conflict between the US and Russia is still within the realms of possibility. I wouldn’t say that it was doubtfull in the 90s anymore than it is beyond possibility now. To suggest one side would “win” it is a dubious idea.
Comment by blitzenfest — October 31, 2009 @ 9:53 am
hang on i just read LuDux’s post which explains how Russia wins a nuclear war…guess i better bone up on my crylic
Comment by blitzenfest — October 31, 2009 @ 10:24 am
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