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December 2, 2007

210 - French Kissing Map

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Over 18.000 votes have been cast in a poll to determine once and for all the answer to the burning question: Combien de bises? That’s French for ‘How many kisses’, and kissing in France is a lot more complex the French’s somewhat overstated reputation for carefree libidinosity implies.

Unlike more reserved nationalities, the French greet each other with kisses on the cheek – but the practice varies to the point where one risks l’embarras social when the kisser has another number of pecks on the cheek in mind than the kissee. Suppose, for a moment, that you intend to give three kisses and the other person turns away after two. Ah, the humilitation!

This must have happened a few times to Gilles Debunne, because earlier in 2007 he set up a website to resolve the French kissing conundrum once and for all. Debunne asked his compatriotes to send in how many kisses were the rule in their particular département. The number, which varies from one to four (five is too much, even for the French), shows an interesting regional variability.

  • One kiss is the preferred option in only two départements: Finistère at the western tip of Brittany and Deux-Sèvres in the Poitou-Charentes region.
  • Elsewhere in Poitou-Charentes, three kisses are preferred: in the departments of Vienne and Charente. The largest block of three-kiss-départements is located in the southeast. Trois bises are the thing to do in Ardèche, Aveyron, Cantal, Drôme, Haute Loire, Hautes Alpes, Hérault, Gard, Lozère and Vaucluse.
  • Four kisses are de rigueur in a large region in northeastern France. Apart from the isolated coastal département of Pas de Calais, this is a contiguous area, consisting of 22 départements from Normandy to the Belgian border: Ardennes, Aube, Calvados, Eure, Eure et Loire, Haute Marne, Indre, Indre et Loire, Loire et Cher, Loire Atlantique, Loiret, Maine et Loire, Manche, Marne, Mayenne, Orne, Sarthe, Seine et Marne, Seine-St-Denis, Val d’Oise, Vendée and Yonne.
  • The rest of the country is two-kisses territory, apart from the same département in northeast Paris that stood out by turning Royal red amidst a sea of Sarkozy blue in the first round of the French presidential elections earlier this year (see entry #108).

Not visualised in this map is the confusion within the départements. Apparently, the quatre bises won out only just in Pas de Calais, narrowly defeating the almost 50% who said they preferred just deux. What happens when representatives of the former group meet someone from the latter one? A faux Pas de Calais? And that’s not even taking into account the class and age distinctions that may play a role in how many kisses are required – or even whether they are expected at all. 

“If you are invited to a dinner party with people you don’t know, you’ll shake their hands when you arrive. At the end of the evening, you might kiss them but it’s probably better to hold out your hand and see what happens,” says Constance Rietzler, director of La Belle École in Paris, offering courses in art and hopefully also joie de vivre, and quoted in this article in The Times on Mr Debunne’s website.

The map was sent in by Romke Soldaat of the website Frogsmoke, which asks the question: “What makes France such an endearing and infuriating country at the same time?

Why are the French a people that you love one day and hate the next?” And gives some pretty funny answers. Well worth a read.

 

 

 

64 Comments »

  1. I’m not saying that all this kissing isn’t a little weird, but all in all it’s better than high-fiving.

    Comment by Peter — December 2, 2007 @

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  3. My wife is Swiss and moved to the US when she was young. She says there was a transition from 2 to 3 kisses sometime since she’s been away — she remembers coming back for one of her frequent trips and all of the sudden, 3 kisses.

    Comment by Bret — December 2, 2007 @

  4. Thanks for picking this up. One other questions remains to be answered: on which cheek do you start? Living in a three-kiss zone I’m still puzzled each time (I have to) kiss someone here. Usually I just wait and see which side is on offer…

    Comment by Romke — December 2, 2007 @

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  6. Hm, curious. When I was growing up in Belgium, all Belgians were on the 3-kiss model and all Frenchmen were on the 2-kiss model. Indeed, one of our cousins who had been born and raised in France, when she remembered to do three with us, always referred to it as “embrasser a la belge!” (”kissing Belgian-style”)

    Comment by David Hecht — December 2, 2007 @

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  8. In my experience the three kiss regions start on the opposite (left) cheek, but it is always an awkward dance. In Paris everyone seemed to touch right cheeks first. And also important, it truly isn’t a kiss on the cheek, you are touching cheeks and kissing the air next to their head. It really isn’t sexy at all. My husbands friends made fun of me when I kissed them on the cheek, saying I could “practice” with them anytime I liked. Oh yeah, another oddity, perfectly acceptable to joke about infidelity with your friends wives. It took me a while to get over the shock of that.

    Comment by Stubbornella — December 3, 2007 @

  9. interesting, alot of kissing

    Comment by thatnewtradition — December 3, 2007 @

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  11. >> Oh yeah, another oddity, perfectly acceptable to joke about infidelity with your friends wives.

    As a french, i must say that this really depends on the culture in the friends groups you are. In my own groups, this is mostly considered vulgaire. One may take this as a compliment (your wife is probably a beauty)

    Comment by Yaw — December 3, 2007 @

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  13. Having a French partner, at least between us, I tend to kiss twice…then keep going!!!

    Comment by kevmoore — December 3, 2007 @

  14. Yes, keep going Kev Moore, and you can even advance the real French kiss!
    I always hated this habit of kissing, although I was born in one of the only 2 kisses region. But you know, when you visit your large family, you might have to distribute 20 bonjour kisses in one go, and when you leave 5 minutes later, 20 au revoir kisses again! So as a child I used to hide to avoid this awful kissing ceremony when we were about to leave!

    Comment by Miki — December 3, 2007 @

  15. Cool map. I remember hearing something on TV about kissing in Germany. The question was how many kisses are usual in the whole country and not regions. That’s an interesting new point brought in with this map.
    I would really like to know how they could examine that because I guess kisses are something spontaneous and the result would be falsified if an examiner would stand right next to the scene… :-)

    Comment by herbstblatt — December 3, 2007 @

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  17. @15: The quantity of kisses in France is not a spontaneous thing, it is strictly defined social etiquette, varying from region to region.
    And in Germany, if I remember well. they give 2 kisses in the whole country, but not as often as we do in France, and generally not from man to man, while in France everybody kisses everybody!

    Comment by Miki — December 3, 2007 @

  18. Cool map and intresting that in some parts of France they kiss more.
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    Comment by kszysiek — December 3, 2007 @

  19. I see David Hecht mentioning Belgium, and I has something to add regarding that strange little country: During the time I lived in West Flanders, close to the French border, I learned that in that part of the world, two kisses were the standard, but on special occasions, like weddings for instance, three were required.

    Comment by sungame — December 3, 2007 @

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  22. The departement where I come from is a two-kiss territory. I was always amazed at people kissing 3 or 4 times (sounds like a waste of time compared to 2, whereas 1 only is a bit rude). I must underline that it feels awkward when you don’t agree on the number of bises with your fellow kisser/kissee.

    Comment by Phil — December 3, 2007 @

  23. Yeah, the funny thing is that everyone in these regions has it wrong about the other regions! I just spent some time in Switzerland, and they were all three kissers. Curiously, they thought all of France and Italy were two-kissers, and I thought so, too, until seeing this site.

    Stubornella: thank you for sharing your experience, it was neat to hear. It is hard to generalize, though. The folks I met in Switzerland varied a lot about what actual contact gets made. Also, I never met a single French, Swiss, or Italian person who made open jokes about infedility, but I have friends in the U.S. who joke like that. (Granted, I know zillions more Americans!)

    Romke, I’m with you. Let’s see a map on which cheek to start on!

    Comment by Lex Spoon — December 3, 2007 @

  24. It becomes very difficult to follow this: people are moving and choose to take or keep the local specificity.

    In Brittany (29) it’s actually up to five. Nord (59) you can have more than 2.

    Another detail: You can start from the left (La Reunion - 974) or from the right (Alsace - 67, 68) and here comes troubles if you both go in the same side … especially if the partner is jealous :P

    Men can kiss when they are:
    - From the same family
    - Best friends
    - Gay :P

    It’s generally 2 kisses only regardless the department… well I saw that in the 29, 59, 60, 67, 68, 74, 75, 90, 974

    Comment by MAW — December 3, 2007 @

  25. about the question: on wich cheek do you start? There is a difference between the belgian tree-kiss zone, where I live, and the dutch (or some parts of the dutch, I’m not sure). Anyway, lots of dutch relatives, lots of confusion…

    Comment by Rosalie — December 3, 2007 @

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  30. Ick. I would not do well in France. I’d say keep your damn lips (or cheek either) away from me unless you look like Joe Lando, lol (”Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman”) I don’t blame the person above who hid as a child — my gawd, that must me terribly traumatic, especially to super sensitive individuals.

    For that matter, I think shaking hands is icky. Why the hell do strange people expect you to let them put their hands or their lips on you? Geez. Get away from me already, lol ;)

    Seriously, these are exceedingly stupid traditions, and I say we trash ‘em all. ASK PEOPLE IF YOU CAN TOUCH THEM — DON’T JUST ASSUME IT’S OKAY. Especially man to woman. Okay? Good :)

    Dove

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  32. Must be great in flu season. They should study if more people catch the flu in the five kiss zone.

    Comment by cyclepromo — December 4, 2007 @

  33. That’s a lot of bisous.

    Comment by Elisabeth — December 4, 2007 @

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  35. Interesting map… but absolutely incorrect though. Finistère isn’t the only part of Brittany where people kiss just one time.

    ‘In Brittany (29) it’s actually up to five’. I am French, I’ve spent 20 years in Brittany, and never ever have I met someone who actually kisses you more than 2 times.

    Usually 2 in Paris, as in the South.

    Comment by Myself — December 4, 2007 @

  36. Hispanics kiss too! Its so weird in the US they make it so intimate…

    Comment by Karen — December 4, 2007 @

  37. My husband would LOVE this blog - he’s a GIS guy and loves him the maps. Thanks for always having something fascinating on here -

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  40. In Belgium you have to divide this “social kissing” in two distinct categories. When you are congratulating someone from the other sex for their birthday or wedding or New Year or any other special occasion, it is de rigueur to give three kisses, usually starting with the left cheek. When you are out in the town and you meet a friend of the other sex, you usually give just one kiss.

    Same sex kisses are usually confined to females. If non-gay males do it, it is often jokingly meant. (or so I hope) :-)

    And as Stubbordinella correctly points out: you actually touch cheeks and kiss the air.

    Comment by Ludwig — December 5, 2007 @

  41. Even here in Belgium, I’ve noticed that some people give one kiss, and others two, and sometimes even three.

    But there is an easy way to avoid any misunderstandings beforehand.

    So when in doubt: first congratulate the other person, even if there is no reason to do so, and then proceed to giving them three kisses.
    They may look very surprised, but at least they will know how many kisses they can expect. :)

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  44. Thanx
    all the best
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  53. I give 2 kisses. I think I began with the right cheek.
    This is not as cold as just shake hands.

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  56. How about a hand shake with a stranger and a simultaneous ONE kiss/gentle hug with someone known to you at your discretion, of course!

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  61. And what about the American hug? I wouldn’t want somebody’s chest pushed against mine!

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  62. cool website!

    On the kissing topic: when I used to live in France some 20 years ago, kissing among guys was considered cool in the urban, trendy, 15-30 age category, but with older and/or rural generations finding it inappropriate. Is kissing still practiced among guys? (I never see that in French movies these days)

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  63. I am unaware that French kissing started in France. Personally I feel french kissing is trashy.

    Comment by Lina — March 13, 2008 @

  64. Interesting map!!ButI still don’t understand why all that kissing thing varies from region to region..is there any logical reason?!
    I think handshake is enough between strangers and double kissing between family, friends and so, but three or four or five, I think they exagerate!!Don’t you think so?Plus, I find it useless to kiss everybody when you get in a place and then kiss them again, every single person, when you leave..pointless and of course a waste of time!A simple bye and a smile are just enough, in my persosnal opinion!..
    =)

    Comment by Jeanne — May 2, 2008 @

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