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	<title>Comments on: 241 - Every Englishman Is An Island…</title>
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		<title>By: lichanos</title>
		<link>http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2008/02/08/241-every-englishman-is-an-island%e2%80%a6/#comment-70448</link>
		<dc:creator>lichanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think that the person who made this map (I am not going to become involved in the heated debate here about him - what's all the fuss about?) was influenced by the map of Utopia included in Sir Thomas More's book?  Am I alone is seeing a similarity?

Check out this link:
http://users.nsula.edu/sinclaird/utopia.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think that the person who made this map (I am not going to become involved in the heated debate here about him - what&#8217;s all the fuss about?) was influenced by the map of Utopia included in Sir Thomas More&#8217;s book?  Am I alone is seeing a similarity?</p>
<p>Check out this link:<br />
<a href="http://users.nsula.edu/sinclaird/utopia.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://users.nsula.edu/sinclaird/utopia.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ronald said;

"Since Britain will be an Islamic country by 2050, perhaps the place names should be named after the Koran."

Maybe it will, maybe not, but the signs are pointing that way. The ritual socialist renaming of absolutely-founded, a-priori places in British lands (such as "Harare City" for Salisbury, Southern Rhodesia) is an infantile Marxist custom which the Moslems will probably want to emulate. To be able to do it in the land of those who showed the world the Door Out Of Hell, and taught it How To Live, in the face of all tyrannies, is an opportunity not to be missed!

Perhaps I feel a new map coming on! I'm sure that Mr Grayson Perry, considering his own quite well-articulated policy-position on Britain (or does he ACTUALLY just mean...England ??!!) would approve!

Anybody feel like getting a blank UK map and renaiming places?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronald said;</p>
<p>&#8220;Since Britain will be an Islamic country by 2050, perhaps the place names should be named after the Koran.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe it will, maybe not, but the signs are pointing that way. The ritual socialist renaming of absolutely-founded, a-priori places in British lands (such as &#8220;Harare City&#8221; for Salisbury, Southern Rhodesia) is an infantile Marxist custom which the Moslems will probably want to emulate. To be able to do it in the land of those who showed the world the Door Out Of Hell, and taught it How To Live, in the face of all tyrannies, is an opportunity not to be missed!</p>
<p>Perhaps I feel a new map coming on! I&#8217;m sure that Mr Grayson Perry, considering his own quite well-articulated policy-position on Britain (or does he ACTUALLY just mean&#8230;England ??!!) would approve!</p>
<p>Anybody feel like getting a blank UK map and renaiming places?</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Few people realize that the European Union will eventually evolve into a dictatorship.  How else can you artificially keep dozens of countries of various languages and cultures together under one huge government bureaucracy.  Does the UK plan on leaving the EU anytime soon.  Future EU president Tony Blair may not want that to happen!

The Americans are NOT English, nor British.  Americans speak a dialect of British English, that is true. But to state that the Americans are English is like telling a Mexican that he is a Spaniard.  As you already know, the cultural differences are HUGE.

Now if you were to state that the Irish people are merely the cheerful and friendly version of the English people, or that the Australians are actually English cowboys with "Tall poppy syndrome,"  I would be more likely to believe you when you state that a common language = same cultural values.

Socialism?  Capitalism?  I understand the version of Anglo-American capitalism quite well.  Read the the book: Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein, and let us know what you think.

Maps such as this one of Britain are silly, at best.  I too, prefer ethnic and historical maps: what was, what is, and what could be.  One thing in the Englishman map is missing: Since Britain will be an Islamic country by 2050, perhaps the place names should be named after the Koran.  What do you think?  Will somebody go ask the Archbishop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Few people realize that the European Union will eventually evolve into a dictatorship.  How else can you artificially keep dozens of countries of various languages and cultures together under one huge government bureaucracy.  Does the UK plan on leaving the EU anytime soon.  Future EU president Tony Blair may not want that to happen!</p>
<p>The Americans are NOT English, nor British.  Americans speak a dialect of British English, that is true. But to state that the Americans are English is like telling a Mexican that he is a Spaniard.  As you already know, the cultural differences are HUGE.</p>
<p>Now if you were to state that the Irish people are merely the cheerful and friendly version of the English people, or that the Australians are actually English cowboys with &#8220;Tall poppy syndrome,&#8221;  I would be more likely to believe you when you state that a common language = same cultural values.</p>
<p>Socialism?  Capitalism?  I understand the version of Anglo-American capitalism quite well.  Read the the book: Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein, and let us know what you think.</p>
<p>Maps such as this one of Britain are silly, at best.  I too, prefer ethnic and historical maps: what was, what is, and what could be.  One thing in the Englishman map is missing: Since Britain will be an Islamic country by 2050, perhaps the place names should be named after the Koran.  What do you think?  Will somebody go ask the Archbishop!</p>
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		<title>By: David Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depends on what you mean by weird. 

To whom are you comparing us if this assertion was to be made, for example? 

We might be considered weird, if you agree that we have angered nearly all the pre-capitalist barbarian Euro-Tyrannies, for example, such as the French and the Germans, for showing their world-model to be oppressive of individual liberties and therefore false. We (and the Americans, who are English) are widely hated for showing the world the door out of Hell. THis could be weird in some quarters.

Or we could be considered weird for allowing ourselves to become (a) the slaves of a socialist government, or (b) not shouting "the Emperor has no clothes!" when presented with things that are prescribed to be "art".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends on what you mean by weird. </p>
<p>To whom are you comparing us if this assertion was to be made, for example? </p>
<p>We might be considered weird, if you agree that we have angered nearly all the pre-capitalist barbarian Euro-Tyrannies, for example, such as the French and the Germans, for showing their world-model to be oppressive of individual liberties and therefore false. We (and the Americans, who are English) are widely hated for showing the world the door out of Hell. THis could be weird in some quarters.</p>
<p>Or we could be considered weird for allowing ourselves to become (a) the slaves of a socialist government, or (b) not shouting &#8220;the Emperor has no clothes!&#8221; when presented with things that are prescribed to be &#8220;art&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Davis:  How would you respond to the assertion that the English are weird people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Davis:  How would you respond to the assertion that the English are weird people.</p>
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		<title>By: David Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said before, this is a brilliant and (mostly) intelligent blog, and we are all fortunate to have found it (I praise it from time to time on mine, and have learned useful stuff from some of the posts.)

Commentators on here are right to infer that I do not exactly view Grayson Perry or his work in quite as positive a light as "prevailing artistic opinion" would suggets that I "ought to". This is because i have quite well-formed views about "art", what it really was, is and will be  - despite modern trends snd fashions- and what it is for, and this is not the relevant place to go into them.

Being a libertarian also means that I think people ight to be able to air their views, even if objectionable to some others. Certain fulsome praises about this "map" were objectionable to me, so I said so. Perhaps I was a bit hot-tempered at the time, but I stand by my thesis in general still.

In return, those who lambasted me had every (libertarian) right to do so if they felt I was being a prat. However, it is comforting to see that I am not totally alone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said before, this is a brilliant and (mostly) intelligent blog, and we are all fortunate to have found it (I praise it from time to time on mine, and have learned useful stuff from some of the posts.)</p>
<p>Commentators on here are right to infer that I do not exactly view Grayson Perry or his work in quite as positive a light as &#8220;prevailing artistic opinion&#8221; would suggets that I &#8220;ought to&#8221;. This is because i have quite well-formed views about &#8220;art&#8221;, what it really was, is and will be  - despite modern trends snd fashions- and what it is for, and this is not the relevant place to go into them.</p>
<p>Being a libertarian also means that I think people ight to be able to air their views, even if objectionable to some others. Certain fulsome praises about this &#8220;map&#8221; were objectionable to me, so I said so. Perhaps I was a bit hot-tempered at the time, but I stand by my thesis in general still.</p>
<p>In return, those who lambasted me had every (libertarian) right to do so if they felt I was being a prat. However, it is comforting to see that I am not totally alone!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Newton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant map, very funny stuff. My favourite is the town of Innit in the county Bloke (separated from the city of Normal by a river called Progress no less!) I do wonder why diarrhoea is in the region of sex though?

The only explanation I can see for some of the vitriol directed towards this piece is that some people have a personal bias against the artist. I always try to avoid such things, otherwise I would never have seen some great movies like, for example, Collateral or Magnolia, owing to Tom Cruise being a complete nutter. Art should be judged as a piece of art, not as the product of an artist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant map, very funny stuff. My favourite is the town of Innit in the county Bloke (separated from the city of Normal by a river called Progress no less!) I do wonder why diarrhoea is in the region of sex though?</p>
<p>The only explanation I can see for some of the vitriol directed towards this piece is that some people have a personal bias against the artist. I always try to avoid such things, otherwise I would never have seen some great movies like, for example, Collateral or Magnolia, owing to Tom Cruise being a complete nutter. Art should be judged as a piece of art, not as the product of an artist.</p>
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		<title>By: vision25</title>
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		<dc:creator>vision25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As "art", this map is rubbish.

As "a map", this map is also rubbish.

I am quite happy for the artist Grayson Perry to indulge in whatever endeavors he wants (but note his cowardise in the face of islamic nutters) but come on, just because he has produced a map and this is a map blog doesn't mean to say that you should all accept it without thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As &#8220;art&#8221;, this map is rubbish.</p>
<p>As &#8220;a map&#8221;, this map is also rubbish.</p>
<p>I am quite happy for the artist Grayson Perry to indulge in whatever endeavors he wants (but note his cowardise in the face of islamic nutters) but come on, just because he has produced a map and this is a map blog doesn&#8217;t mean to say that you should all accept it without thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: RICH</title>
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		<dc:creator>RICH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For info, there was an exhibition recently in Cork Ireland, which featured the work of this artist, along with many other "mapping" artwork.
 The website for details on the exhibition are here... http://www.crawfordartgallery.com/RecentExhibs.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For info, there was an exhibition recently in Cork Ireland, which featured the work of this artist, along with many other &#8220;mapping&#8221; artwork.<br />
 The website for details on the exhibition are here&#8230; <a href="http://www.crawfordartgallery.com/RecentExhibs.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.crawfordartgallery.com/RecentExhibs.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grayson Perry &#124; Delicious Ghost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grayson Perry &#124; Delicious Ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 04:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] self-portrait&#8221; by Turner Prize–winning artist Grayson Perry. Found through Strange Maps, which explains [...]</description>
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