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June 8, 2008

287 – Dam You, Mediterranean: the Atlantropa Project

Filed under: Uncategorized — strangemaps @ 12:16 pm

(Atlantropa ‘part one’, click map to enlarge)

(Atlantropa ‘part two’, click map to enlarge)

 

Herman Sörgel’s Atlantropa is the craziest, most megalomaniacal scheme from the 20th century you never heard of.

Sörgel (1885-1952) was a renowned German architect of the Bauhaus school, and a philosopher reflecting on culture, space and geopolitics. On the future’s horizon, he saw the emergence of three global superpowers, one uniting the American continent, another a Pan-Asian block, and Europe – possibly the weakest of the three.

His solution was to engineer Europe out of its problems. Sörgel based his solution for Pan-European power and self-sufficiency on the observation that, although significant amounts of water flow into the Mediterranean through the Strait of Gibraltar (from the Atlantic Ocean) and the Dardanelles (from the Black Sea), its level stays the same, through evaporation. Hence his proposal to dam the Mediterranean at both ends, using the reduced inflow to generate massive amounts of hydroelectricity (110,000 Megawatt via several dams, of which 50,000 MW via the Gibraltar dam alone) and in the process create new land, which not only could be used for colonisation, but would also connect Europe to Africa. Thus would be created a new supercontinent, Atlantropa (giving the former easy access to the latter’s raw materials).

Sörgel first publicised his ideas in his 1929 book Mittelmeer-Senkung, Sahara-Bewässerung, Panropaprojekt (‘Lowering the Mediterranean, Irrigating the Sahara: the Panropa Project’), reiterating and specifying them in Atlantropa (1932). Later versions of the project included plans to create a series of giant lakes in Central Africa (Sörgel’s father, significantly, pioneered hydroelectricity in Bavaria).

Sörgel, as a visionary pacifist, had noble motives and his ideas were not without merit, but the logistics of the project were daunting. He saw cheap hydroelectricity as the answer to a future in which non-renewable energy sources such as coal, gas and oil would dwindle to depletion; he thought colonising new lands in the Mediterranean would give European nations a positive focus towards cooperation and help avoid another war. The growth of industry and agriculture would thus be safeguarded. And the land reclamation of parts of the Mediterranean seafloor would mirror, on a much larger scale, the centuries-old communal struggle of Holland against the North Sea. It would also provide another outlet for Napoleon’s vision of forging a peaceful European Union through the joint colonisation of Europe’s East (an idea no doubt constructed to co-justify Napoleon’s Russia campaign of 1812). The massive works would go on for more than a century, eliminating unemployment for generations.

But consider what was to be the lynchpin of Atlantropa, the Gibraltar dam. At its narrowest, the Strait of Gibraltar is 14 km (9 mi) wide. And yet, for some reason, Sörgel decided the dam should be built 30 km further inside the Mediterranean, where it would have to be significantly longer. The foundations for the dam would have to be 2.5 km wide, and 300 m high. To complete, it would take 10 years, and 200,000 workers, labouring in 4 continuous shifts. The dam would be crowned by a 400 meter high tower. Calculations at the time cast doubt on whether there would be enough concrete in the world to complete the gargantuesque project.

And consider what would happen to the Mediterranean, cut in two by the lower sea levels, with Sicily connected to both Tunisia and the Italian mainland (allowing, among other things for a regular train service between Berlin and Cape Town). In the western half, the water would be lowered by 100 meters, in the eastern half by as much as 200 meters, combining to create 576,000 km2 new dry land, a fifth of the Mediterranean’s surface, or more than the surface of Belgium and France together. Imagine the problems and traumas this would create for coastal cities such as Marseille or Genoa. Sörgel did propose the construction of new harbours, and did provide a special solution for Venice: another dam would safeguard its lagoon from drying out. But that lagoon would be a lake, 500 km away from the nearest seashore.

Sörgel’s plan would be considered outdated today for more reasons than just its megalomania. It was also completely eurocentric, proposing a Euro-African continent entirely run by and for the benefit of Europe(ans), Africa(ns) being reduced to supplying raw materials (he also saw a strong Atlantropa, also controlling the Middle East, as a bulwark against the ‘Yellow Peril’). Furthermore, there was totally no regard for its ecological impact (the increased salinity of the remaining Mediterranean Seas would have killed off much of the flora and fauna, the precipitation patterns could shift dramatically). And one shudders to think what would happen if the giant Gibraltar dam would be breached by a tsunami, an earthquake or a terrorist attack.

Despite his pacifist leanings, Sörgel attempted to reformulate his ideas in a way more favourable to the national-socialist world view. In 1938, he wrote Die drei grossen A: Amerika, Atlantropa, Asien – Grossdeutschland un italienisches Imperium, die Pfeiler Atlantropas (‘The Three Big A’s: America, Atlantropa, Asia – Greater Germany and the Italian Empire, the Pillars of Atlantropa’), and in 1942 the equally Lebensraum-ish Atlantropa-ABC: Kraft, Raum, Brot (‘Atlantropa ABC: Strength, Space, Bread’).
Sörgel’s ideas never caught on with the Nazis, whose expansionist plans were oriented more towards the East than towards the South. The idea therefore survived the Second World War, but was eventually rendered moot by the advent of nuclear power and the end of colonialism.
Sörgel kept defending his ideas literally to the death: in 1952, he was hit and killed by a car while biking to hold a speech on his Atlantropa project, the dream of which died a slow death after his own. In 1960, the Atlantropa Institute was closed. Although Atlantropa never came close to realisation, or maybe because of it, the concept did gain some currency in science fiction circles. A few examples:
• Soviet SF writer Grigory Grebnev’s ‘The Flying Station’ (1950) describes a future in which the Socialist Revolution has triumphed, but small groups of Neo-Nazis hiding near the North Pole are conspiring to destroy the Revolution’s most precious project, a Gibraltar dam.
• Philip K. Dick’s ‘The Man in the High Castle’ (1962) mentions in passing the draining of the Mediterranean by the victorious Nazis (as well as their genocide on Africans).

Thanks to Marc Itschner and Sebastian Castañiza for informing me of the Atlantropa project and of this map (in German), showing its Mediterranean component, which can be found on the relevant Wikipedia page. It shows (in the upper left corner) Venice, connected via a canal to the Mediterranean, and (in the upper right corner) the Sea of Marmara with dam and power station, (in the lower left corner) the main dam and power station at Gibraltar, (in the lower middle of the map) a second dam at Sicily to facilitate the differentiated lowering of the eastern Mediterranean’s sea level and (in the lower right corner) an extension of  the Suez Canal. The legend indicates planned rail links, planned irrigation areas through desalinisation plants, and amount of land reclaimed (in kilometers).

The second map of the ‘African’ part of the project can be found here, on a page called Xefer. It shows the African interior dominated by a few huge, artificial lakes: Lake Chad hypertrophied into the Chad Sea, reaching deep into the Sahara, its overflow connected to the Mediterranean, but also connected via the Ubangi Overflow to a titanic Congo Lake, created by damming the Congo River and flooding most of Congo’(s interior.


76 Comments »

  1. [...] Read it. [...]

    Pingback by DYSPEPSIA GENERATION » Blog Archive » Dam You, Mediterranean: the Atlantropa Project — June 8, 2008 @ 1:59 pm

  2. I’m almost finished reading Rendezvous with Rama, and I’m stumped by the statement “Arthur C. Clarke’s ‘Rendezvous With Rama’ (1972) deals with archaeological finds in the drained Mediterranean.” This novel has nothing to do with the Mediterranean, drained or otherwise, or indeed with anything on Earth.

    Comment by katie — June 8, 2008 @ 4:00 pm

  3. “Megawatt per year” does not make sense. A watt is already one joule per second; the per-time aspect of it is already there. That’s why we’re billed for electricity in watt-hours instead of just watts.

    Comment by Anonymous — June 8, 2008 @ 4:30 pm

  4. Why all the dams and destruction? Why not just a lock and dam at Gibraltar for the tidal flows? I guess you’re right about the Eurocentric bent. (Re: exploitation of whatever the Huns can get their hands on.)
    Too late now, anyway. We’re freakin’ doomed. So much for grand ideas. Not enough oil to build them these days.

    Comment by auntiegrav — June 8, 2008 @ 4:42 pm

  5. Back in 1958, Willey Ley wrote a book titled “Engineer’s Dreams”, that talked about the same ideas, plus some others.

    Comment by Eadwacer — June 8, 2008 @ 6:27 pm

  6. @ katie:
    I’ve read some of Clarke’s stuff, though not this book. The source I retrieved this information from (i.e. the ‘Atlantropa’ entry in the English Wikipedia) also mentioned the Philip K. Dick book, which I read and from which I do seem to remember a reference to a similar project. So I considered it safe to copy the reference. I’ve now done a more extensive search, and so far the only, remote link I can find between Clarke and this scheme is an apparent mention of a ‘Gibraltar Bridge’ (so not even a dam) in his book ‘The Foundations of Paradise’. Thanks for pointing out the error. I’m removing the reference, but remain curious to know whether there is a connection of any sort between Clarke and Atlantropa, or if this was a completely made up mention, in the worst tradition of Wikipedia entries.

    @ Anonymous:
    My stupid mistake. Correcting…

    Comment by strangemaps — June 8, 2008 @ 6:53 pm

  7. Fantastic! In all possible senses of the word…

    Comment by sungame — June 8, 2008 @ 6:58 pm

  8. There’s a passing reference to the draining of the Mediterrenean in Rendezvous (I think it’s Rendezvous … it might be one of the sequels, too), but that’s all. It’s not a plot element or anything.

    Comment by Nik — June 8, 2008 @ 7:07 pm

  9. [...] Crazy Engineering Idea Published June 8, 2008 Uncategorized Found this on Strange Maps Blog.  (thanks James for showing me the site) What do you all of you think about damming up the Mediterranean Sea? check it out. [...]

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  10. It’s so crazy it’s impossible not to love.

    I presume the dam isn’t put at the narrowest spot because that’s also the deepest. Most ideas about a Gibraltar bridge strand on a similar problem.

    Comment by Sili — June 8, 2008 @ 7:59 pm

  11. There’s another reference to an idea like this in Gene Roddenberry’s novelization of Star Trek: The Motion Picture. You have to admit the archeological finds would be spectacular. But…no.

    Comment by Huntington — June 8, 2008 @ 8:12 pm

  12. what’s really a bad idea …
    Why is Africa always the Backyard of Europe?

    http://cool-maps.blogspot.com/2008/05/africa-just-before-world-war-i.html

    Comment by Bjorn — June 8, 2008 @ 8:55 pm

  13. Worse yet – wouldn’t the Atlantic be affected from this, flooding Holland?

    Comment by Yuval — June 8, 2008 @ 10:46 pm

  14. The Soviets also wanted to do a thing like this in Siberia/Kazakhstan – why waste all that nice fresh water on the Arctic Ocean when you can turn their channels around with atomic bomb excavations? So instead we’d have a big inland fresh-water sea, if they’d gone through with it and not collapsed, by the now-ish.

    Comment by jeff n. — June 9, 2008 @ 2:08 am

  15. I think that Sörgel project is perharps too ambitious. I suppose that such a dam is just design to test the fiery of nature.With growing concerns of the global warming effect and rise of sea level, this type of man made structure does not seem feasible.Rainstorm due to erratic weather may damage the dam,flooding the surrounding coastal region and other disastrous effects. Beside that, the dam will change valuable ecology system of the sea and livelihood of people living by the sea. There will be many protest defintely if its construction is proposed.

    Comment by periodization — June 9, 2008 @ 6:32 am

  16. [...] 287 – Dam You, Mediterranean: the Atlantropa Project « Strange Maps [...]

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  17. Philip Jose Farmer wrote about an ancient Chadean sea with a civilization around it, extrapolating from the Tarzan stories about lost cities. Some of his paperbacks had maps. I don’t have any handy, but it would be interesting to compare them with the Atlanropa maps.

    Comment by J. B. Post — June 9, 2008 @ 11:41 am

  18. Someone else recently had plans to dam the Med with the purpose of reinforcing the Gulf Stream should global warming lead to an ice age in Western Europe: http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/eosrjohnson.html

    Comment by Botec — June 9, 2008 @ 11:59 am

  19. Strictly speaking, the project to create a Central African Lake was an entirely separate project:

    http://www.xefer.com/2005/03/lake

    Comment by Winter — June 9, 2008 @ 12:37 pm

  20. I agree that a single Gibraltar dam would be too vulnerable — but might it be possible (and safer) to build several smaller ones instead?

    And despite his megalomania Sörgel had a point, valid to this day: hydroelectric power might one day have to replace much of the dwindling oil and coal resources.

    Comment by A.R.Yngve — June 9, 2008 @ 1:01 pm

  21. Regarding science-fiction, you may want to look at Belgian author E.P. Jacobs’s “Le piège diabolique” comic in the “Blake & Mortimer” series in which Prof. Mortimer travels in a time machine to the far future, and stumbles upon an “United States of Europe” map from which the Medditerranean sea has completely vanished.

    Comment by Jean Naimard — June 9, 2008 @ 1:57 pm

  22. [...] Maps publicó una anotación sobre el «proyecto Atlantropa» titulada Dam You, Mediterranean: the Atlantropa Project, que bien merece una lectura [...]

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  23. On more than one occasion during the ice age, sea level dropped so far that the Strait of Gibraltar became a land bridge. The Mediterranean Sea evaporated, exposing large areas of its basin. As sea level rose again, the Atlantic Ocean breached the land bridge and created an enormous cascade that refilled the sea.

    Comment by edgarallenpoe — June 9, 2008 @ 3:02 pm

  24. You have to do something!

    Comment by nainnarart — June 9, 2008 @ 7:08 pm

  25. Incidentally, it has been suggested that the rise of the Black Sea (filling through the straits, after the Med filled up) triggered the dispersion of the Proto-Indo-Europeans. I don’t know whether anyone takes this idea seriously.

    Comment by Anton Sherwood — June 9, 2008 @ 7:59 pm

  26. [...] “the craziest, most megalomaniacal scheme from the 20th century you never heard of”, Strange Maps reports on Atlantropa, a scheme in the 1920s to dam the various entries to the Mediterranean Sea. The idea, [...]

    Pingback by Asteroid » Blog Archive » Damming the Mediterranean — June 9, 2008 @ 8:13 pm

  27. There are many schemes like this that don’t require a totalitarian regime to succeed, and will not have disasterous environmental impact.

    http://www.unu.edu/unupress/unupbooks/80858e/80858E0a.htm

    Comment by RiClious — June 9, 2008 @ 8:22 pm

  28. I was listening to a BBC Podcast recently discussing the building of the Severn Barrage, a tidal dam across one of Britains biggest inlets, which has one of the highest tides in the world, there is a government survey underway.

    The project spokesmen described the science of tidal barriers as being where the Wright Brothers were with aviation, there is still a long way to go before such a scheme can generate the electricity required.

    Comment by IanCroydon — June 9, 2008 @ 9:24 pm

  29. Both Rendezvous With Rama ( believe) and G Roddenberry’s own novelization of Star Trek: The Motion Picture incorporate this concept, also in passing. We’re told that archaeologists had an unbelievable bonanza with the drained ‘Mediterranean Valley,’ which then became the most fertile farmland in human history.

    Comment by Baron Waste — June 9, 2008 @ 9:57 pm

  30. How Are you >From Vietnam

    Comment by vietnamtravelhotels — June 10, 2008 @ 7:34 am

  31. i guess this project is possilbe but i think it is a bad idea.

    Comment by afroblog — June 10, 2008 @ 8:12 am

  32. I think that the original idea was by an Italian SF novel titled “Il prosciugamento del Mediterraneo” (“The drying of Mediterranean”) by Mota&Ciancimino, 1923. The novel told the story of an Europa wasted by a new war without winners between eastern and western countries, in which chemical weapons make scorched land of every grassland of the continent. So, european countries, to prevent the starvation of the people and the dipendence by USA wheat importations, order the building of a titanic dam at Gibilterra. The project – of course – was by an Italian engineer, that falls in love with an American spy, that steal the plans. At the end, USA puts a giant mine under the dam, and blows up it. The tidal wave drowns the new lands gained by the drying of the Mediterranean killing million peoples and destroying Europa’s hopes.
    You can find the map of the Dryed Mediterranean on the “Atlante dei luoghi immaginari” (“Atlas of imaginary places”), a very good source of strange maps ;)

    Comment by erodoto — June 10, 2008 @ 8:36 am

  33. [...] Maps publicó una anotación sobre el «proyecto Atlantropa» titulada Dam You, Mediterranean: the Atlantropa Project, que bien merece una lectura [...]

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  34. [...] Strange Maps blog has a post that describes the strangest, if not craziest plans for generating power throughout Europe – based on a true story. Based on the work of Sörgel (1885-1952), a German architect, the plan provided the details for making Europe power self-sufficient – a so called hydro-electric supergiant. Among other things it involved constructing a dam across the Strait of Gibraltar. [...]

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  35. But wouldn’t the newly created “Chad Sea” instantly shrink from water evaporation. I would assume that this would also be shallow sea. Regarding irrigation and desalinization of seawater for northern Africa, why don’t countries such as Libya and Algeria already do this? For topsoil, they could import millions (billions?) of tons of treated sewage from Europe……

    Comment by Ron — June 10, 2008 @ 1:26 pm

  36. [...] expect…maps that are strange.  They post daily and give great background on each post.  The first post I read was a map from the antebellum period, proposing a series of dams to close off the Mediterranean Sea [...]

    Pingback by Strange Maps « grace & peace — June 10, 2008 @ 3:39 pm

  37. The Med is, indeed, mentioned as drained in “Rendezvous.” See chapter six.

    Comment by dziban — June 10, 2008 @ 4:59 pm

  38. Wow, talk about a massive project, that would be really something if it did come to fruition.

    Comment by costumesupercenter — June 10, 2008 @ 5:48 pm

  39. [...] the Atlantropa Project [...]

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  40. Did anyone notice that Slovenia and Croatia both have no coast anymore? What about that?

    Otherwise interesting project. We have to get rid of fossil fuels, that´s for sure…

    PS: Is it possible to build such dams without lowering the sea level, or at least lower it minimally?

    Comment by TravelWorld21 — June 11, 2008 @ 12:28 pm

  41. In a sense, the whole concept is similar to the construction of a hydroelectric dam on a river… Renewable power source (a man ahead of his time), no real concern for ecological changes or displaced/ misplaced peoples. The scale here is vastly differnt.

    What if the idea were reversed – maybe it is possible. OK, you need to work with me here… Rising sea levels, Medditerranian countries showing unparrelled cooperation so that they do not loose extremely valuable land, 3 continents desperate for cheaper, renewable energy. You never know.

    Comment by baout_ — June 11, 2008 @ 11:05 pm

  42. [...] Dam You, Mediterranean: the Atlantropa Project Published June 12, 2008 Imenik: Družba – Ljudje , News ENG: People, Politics, Various , Ostali blogi , Razne povezave, teme Tags: Atlantropa Dam You, Mediterranean: the Atlantropa Project [...]

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  43. As a geoscientist I now truly understand “global warming”–it’s “caused” by chattering humans. Sheer nonsense posted by 42 people so far. Doesn’t anyone research, read and understand BEFORE talking? GOTO: arxiv.org>physics>physics/0701100, “Ocean Terracing”, posted 9 January 2007.

    Comment by Richard Cathcart — June 12, 2008 @ 1:37 pm

  44. @Geoscientist:

    Nonsense? Do anyone besides peers in your field read such research articles. Do these articles find their way to a dark library basement, where all the other research articles eventually go. How do they contribute anything worthwhile to society in general. I am just wondering what the point is for all the endless university research.

    Could you please comment on post #35? Why haven’t the Arabs used oil money to discover an extremely cheap way to desalinate mass quantities of sea water? Treated sewage could be exported from Europe and spread to provide a thick blanket of topsoil to establish farms, which then get irrigated with treated seawater. Do you have any links that prove that my proposal is “sheer nonsense?”

    Comment by Ron — June 13, 2008 @ 2:14 pm

  45. Libya isn’t desalinating on a large scale because it gets vast quantities of water from aquifers, thanks to the Great Man-Made River:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Manmade_River
    http://www.galenfrysinger.com/man_made_river_libya.htm

    They’ll probably have to switch to nuclear desalination at some point, but not just yet.

    Algeria hasn’t done it because they don’t have the money, know-how, or political stability, the poor sods.

    – tom

    Comment by Tom A — June 13, 2008 @ 4:13 pm

  46. [...] Door de bouw van de dam daalt de zeespiegel in de Middellandse Zee en ontstaat er een landbrug tussen Italië, Sicilië en Tunesië hierover kan daarna de trein Berlijn-Kaapstad rijden. Ook niet onbelangrijk: er ontstaat in totaal 576.000 km2 nieuw land, meer dan België en Frankrijk bij elkaar. Latere versies van zijn plan omvatte ook de aanleg van gigantische stuwmeren in Afrika voor energievoorziening. Meer overdit project leest u bij Strange Maps: Dam You, Mediterranean. [...]

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  47. Alternately, using the same dam system, you could actually turn the Mediterranean into an elevated bowl, instead. By pumping water from outside the dam to fill up the bowl, you turn the Mediterranean into a large store of water, protecting the rest of the world from the rising sea level instead. This would come at the cost of drowning most of the cradle of Western Civilization, but it’s not like anyone would really miss, say, Greece. Later (much later), when the world starts cooling again and the ice caps start reclaiming water, you could gradually release the stored Mediterranean water and keep world sea level constant still.

    Comment by hemaworstje — June 14, 2008 @ 9:39 pm

  48. [...] the Mediterranean Sea and channeling the overflow through the interior of Africa. The vast scheme, proposed in 1929 by German architect Herman Sorgel,would have divided the Mediterranean into two smaller bodies for gradual reclamation; a land bridge [...]

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  49. Am I the only one wondering what the ecological consequences of this would be? Wouldn’t most of Southern Europe starve to death after their fisheries disappeared?

    Comment by Fnarf — June 15, 2008 @ 8:17 pm

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    Comment by hakan — June 15, 2008 @ 10:28 pm

  51. @ Tom A (reply to post #45)

    From the wikipedia link:

    “The fossil aquifer from which this water is being supplied is known as the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System. It accumulated during the last ice age and is not currently being replenished.”

    Very interesting. So how many decades of prosperity is Libya buying before the well water runs out?!?!?!?!?

    Comment by Ron — June 16, 2008 @ 1:48 pm

  52. [...] Maps skriver om Atlantropa-prosjektet, en historisk forløper til dagens geoengineering – ideen om at store problemer krever store [...]

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  53. Algeria may not need to desalinate sea water. The Atlas Mountains are not desert. They receive a fair amount of rainfall.

    Comment by Bob — June 22, 2008 @ 8:58 pm

  54. Re #40 – I imagine that they’d have tried to extend territorial borders over the newly-created land to ensuring that no one would become landlocked.

    Comment by Bob — June 22, 2008 @ 9:05 pm

  55. [...] the Insane Projects from the 20th Century category: Behold!: Atlantropa. That’s right, the proposed damming of Gibraltar which would create a land bridge down Italy [...]

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  56. [...] isn’t Doggerland, but might well be the better-argumented Atlantropa scheme (discussed in #287 of this [...]

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  57. This would be a terrible idea, think of the environmental damage it would cause and would it not raise sea levels the world over? All of that water would have to go back out into the Atlantic and Im sure that it would raise everything by probably a 6 or 7 inches. This has stupid written all over it.

    Comment by Chris Litherland — July 7, 2008 @ 2:49 am

  58. Arthur C. Clark wrote about a flooded Sahara in “The Fountains of Paradise”:

    “Did you know,” said Sheik Farouk Abdullah, “that I have now appointed myself Grand Admiral of the Sahara Fleet?”

    “For they tell us that the Erg was full of archaeological treasures. Of course, no-one bothered about them before it was flooded.”

    Comment by Peter Brülls — July 10, 2008 @ 9:28 am

  59. Judging by the map it could become possible to connect Cyprus to Turkey, if this project would be realised. Oh, how I bet the Greeks would just love that idea.

    Comment by Jay — July 13, 2008 @ 12:54 am

  60. [...] Terror medioambiental. Un arquitecto megalómano planéo drenar el Mediterráneo para unir África y Europa en un supercontinente llamado Atlantropa. El pop sesentero español recuperó la idea. [...]

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  61. [...] – Pueden leer ms del proyecto Atlantropa en la archigenial Cabinet Magazine (en ingls). Lejos, mi revista preferida. – Wikipedia tiene una lista con las menciones de Atlantropa en obras de ficcin (en ingls). – Strange maps tiene un interesante artculo sobre el tema. [...]

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  62. [...] (enlace) Proyecto para secar parte del mediterráneo para conseguir energía hidroeléctrica y nuevas [...]

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  65. [...] There are some many problems with this plan it’s hard to know where to begin.  For one,  “for some reason, Sörgel decided the dam should be built 30 km further inside the Mediterranean, where it would have to be significantly longer. The foundations for the dam would have to be 2.5 km wide, and 300 m high. To complete, it would take 10 years, and 200,000 workers, labouring in 4 continuous shifts. The dam would be crowned by a 400 meter high tower. Calculations at the time cast doubt on whether there would be enough concrete in the world to complete the [gigantic] project” (from strangemaps). [...]

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  67. [...] remember what it was, so let’s suppose it was to plan something exciting, like the construction of Atlantropa.  Anyway, they work out some plan that both sides consider incredibly wise.  They decide that the [...]

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  69. One big problem that nobody seems to have noticed: How was he planning on getting all that water out of the Mediterranean? evaporation won’t do it: there are lots of rivers flowing in. The same energy he was trying to extract by hydroelectric dams at Gibraltar etc., would be required to pump all the water out. So ultimately it turns out it’s a perpetual motion device, and like all perpetual motion devices, the Second Law of Thermodynamics says it can’t work.

    Comment by Hans Spiller — February 10, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

  70. Hans Spiller – there is a great deal more water evaporating from the Mediterranean than there is flowing into it via rivers.

    Let’s assume that 75% of the water in the Mediterranean comes from the Atlantic:
    Shrinking the Mediterranean to a managed lake 25% of its present size, with all the rivers flowing down into it, would work just fine. More likely (in view of economic & ecological history), we would take the opportunity to irrigate the entire area, and lose enough water to evapotranspiration that we wouldn’t have to worry about an outlet. Plenty of rivers (look at the longest one, the Nile, for example) no longer actually reach the ocean. As with all irrigation, it’s advantageous until the salt builds up in your fields.

    Comment by Squalish — March 4, 2009 @ 1:04 am

  71. thank you

    Comment by Tony — May 4, 2009 @ 3:44 am

  72. thanks for this map
    good 
    luck

    ….

    Comment by Solomon — May 11, 2009 @ 9:00 am

  73. merci

    Comment by aspicco . — May 17, 2009 @ 6:43 am

  74. Vielen Dank

    Comment by moon — July 3, 2009 @ 5:17 am

  75. Muchas gracias

    Comment by sun — July 4, 2009 @ 7:42 am

  76. The novelization of Star Trek: The Motion Picture “Written” (note the quotes) by Gene Roddenberry has an extensive description of the mediterranean dam and the draining of the med.

    As late as the 1950s, people were still talking about flooding the Chad basin to turn the central sahara in to a breadbasket. I can’t think of too many downsides to that one, actually, since the modern lake Chad is a remnant of an ancient inland sea, but draining the med is just craziness. Poorly-considered craziness at that.

    Comment by Republibot 3.0 — October 25, 2009 @ 12:53 am

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