In its most recent issue, The New Yorker magazine revisits one of its most famous covers ever. Saul Steinberg’s cartoon on the front page of the 29 March 1976 issue showed the world as seen from New York’s 9th Avenue. Mr Steinberg’s ironic, iconic cartoon, mentioned earlier on this blog (#72), has been recycled, imitated and parodied many times – and now by the New Yorker itself, as a comment on vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s world view.
The world outside Alaska knew little of Sarah Palin before Republican presidential candidate John McCain announced, on August 29, that she would be his running mate. It seems that before that date, Sarah Palin also knew little of the outside world. She has been outside of the US only once, on a visit to Alaska National Guard troops in Germany and Kuwait.
One of Palin’s more unfortunate statements, much derided afterwards, is her claim that the governorship of Alaska was a good preparation for the job of vice-president, since, as she explained to ABC interviewer Charlie Gibson, Alaska is so close to Russia. Which is a foreign country: ”They’re our next-door neighbours, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.”
Well, at least that is true. Big Diomede and Little Diomede, are where les extrèmes se touchent, as the French say. These two islands in the middle of the Bering Strait, which separates Russia’s Far East from America’s Frozen North, are Russian and American respectively. As they are only 2.5 miles from each other, they are well within visibility range on a clear day. In winter, when the sea freezes over, you can even walk from the US to Russia, and vice versa – but check with customs first.
But to claim that geographical fact alone as a justification for foreign policy experience is just too absurd for words (*). And if something is too absurd for words, why not draw a cartoon? Which is exactly what Barry Blitt did, for the Oct. 6 issue of the New Yorker. Over vast expanses of empty Alaska, just a tiny bit of Russia is visible on the horizon. Et voilà: Palinworld.
That’s an oversimplification of the pot-kettle-black kind. Since her elevation to vice-presidential candidate, Palin has speed-dated half a dozen foreign heads of state at the UN. She exchanged views with Henry Kissinger (although that probably left him with most of the work). The Republican team had her ‘quarantined’ to stop the death by a thousand gaffes and to allow her to cram for the vice-presidential debate on October 2 with her Democratic opponent Joe Biden. After that debate, she was generally judged to have passed that test (if only because she enjoyed the benefit of low expectations).
At least she managed to do what many other more experienced politicians don’t manage: to pronounce the name of Iran’s president with surprising accuracy. Ahmadinejad. Now there’s a populist with a down-home folksy manner, an extremely religious world view and an electoral success that has confounded and frustrated the better-educated classes at home and abroad. Les extrèmes se touchent?
Many thanks to Tony Pappas for providing an image of the New Yorker cover.
(*) Strange Maps tries to be nonpartisan and apolitical, but insists on being anti-nonsense.



Might be a good time to look for maps illustrating the penetration of television ownership in 1929. You know, back when FDR was president.
Comment by Carsie Shafer — October 4, 2008 @ 8:40 pm
Palin is on record as stating that the Iraq war was divinely inspired and that man once shared the Earth with the dinosaurs.
No, she isn’t.
Comment by Robert — October 4, 2008 @ 8:44 pm
On the other hand, Michael Palin has been to Little Diomede Island, as well as to Russia.
Comment by Mary — October 4, 2008 @ 8:49 pm
“Might be a good time to look for maps illustrating the penetration of television ownership in 1929. You know, back when FDR was president.”
Bzzzt! Wrong president. I guess the McSame supporters have arrived. How about that map that compares the slave states and the red states?
Comment by O '08 — October 4, 2008 @ 8:52 pm
I can see the Andromeda Galaxy from my house. So I expect to be named chief administrator of NASA soon.
Comment by pauldrye — October 4, 2008 @ 9:01 pm
“Bzzzt! Wrong president.”
O ‘08: you may have misunderstood Carsie Shafer, who I believe refers to Biden’s recently stating that in 1929, FDR appeared on TV to reassure the nation.
Wrong president indeed.
Comment by Gorgasal — October 4, 2008 @ 9:03 pm
@Robert (#2):
RE dinosaurs – If ‘on record’ means that she said this in an official interview or at a public forum, then she indeed is not; she is however reported to hold this view by a witness credible enough to be quoted by the LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palinreligion28-2008sep28,0,3643718.story?page=1&track=rss
RE Iraq war – Palin is indeed ‘on record’ as saying that the Iraq war is a “task from God”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs
Comment by strangemaps — October 4, 2008 @ 9:05 pm
Nothing good shall come of this… nothing.
Rome was not built in a day, it did not fall in a day. Nevertheless, once the decline began, the collapse was inevitable.
Comment by Onkel Bob — October 4, 2008 @ 9:10 pm
Strangemaps@7 –
You are misconstruing what Palin said. She did not say that the war was divinely inspired; she urged people to pray that what we were doing was God’s will and not our own. She has drawn an explicit parallel to a similar statement that Lincoln made. In fact, it is a fairly common prayer for religious people faced with the horrors of war to make.
“I heard her say this fifteen years ago” isn’t on the record, and “I heard her say this fifteen years ago” from someone who has been politically opposed to her for a long time is even less credible. It’s hearsay, and hearsay from an enemy at that. I overheard Barack Obama say that he thought America was the devil and he couldn’t wait to dismantle it and turn it all over to the UN. If I get a credulous newspaper with an anti-Obama agenda to print that, does it make it true?
Comment by Robert — October 4, 2008 @ 9:26 pm
Easy, Onkel Bob. If we can survive the Civil War, the Depression, two world wars, having the capital burned by the British army, hundreds of hurricanes, Jimmy Carter, Vietnam, disco, the Spanish flu epidemic of 1918-1919, my mom, the 1906 earthquake, and AIDS, then we can survive a marginal vice presidential candidate whom you don’t like, and probably won’t be elected. Everyone just calm down.
Comment by cmajor7 — October 4, 2008 @ 9:28 pm
Do you get your “facts” from the Daily Show or MSNBC?
Comment by Claude — October 4, 2008 @ 9:31 pm
Since you like Palin-related maps, try this one:
http://www.suitablyflip.com/suitably_flip/2008/08/irrelevant-but.html
..bruce..
Comment by bfwebster — October 4, 2008 @ 9:49 pm
@strangemaps #7: No, she asked the congregation to pray that the leaders send them out on a task that is from God. It’s clear when you hear the beginning of her sentence that has been (quite dishonestly) cut off in the YouTube video you linked to, but even there the meaning is pretty clear, if you listen to what she actually says without any preconceptions.
Comment by lukas — October 4, 2008 @ 9:58 pm
@Robert (#9)
To say any war is God’s will makes it non-debatable. War is a policy decision to achieve rational goals, which are debatable. As they should be.
RE the credibility of the witness quoted in the LA Times: I don’t know of any statement by the Palin camp disputing her testimony.
As for your Obama analogy: good luck finding a newspaper willing to print that :)
Comment by strangemaps — October 4, 2008 @ 10:03 pm
[...] Strange Maps has the cover of the New Yorker, satirizing Palin’s grasp on geography. [...]
Pingback by I can see Alaska from my house at Niles’s Blog — October 4, 2008 @ 10:13 pm
On the theology of war, perhaps you’re right, but that isn’t the point. The point is that you are stating that she has said things on the record, that she hasn’t. If you disagree with her viewpoint, then wouldn’t it make sense to present your counterargument, rather than dishonestly characterize what she’s said?
As for the “testimony” – interesting word to use for “totally unsubstantiated hearsay” – she hasn’t disputed something that some blogger posted? Oh, then it MUST be true! Come on. You wouldn’t apply this logical standard to anything else in your life; why apply it here?
There’s plenty of substance to argue with, regardless of your personal politics. Argue that substance, rather than trying to contribute to the gotcha media culture.
Comment by Robert — October 4, 2008 @ 10:13 pm
@Robert (#16):
The point is that she *has* said, quite literally, on that occasion: “Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right, also for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God.”
Confronted with that quote later on, in the Charles Gibson interview, she backtracked, saying “Let us not pray that God is on our side, in a war, or any other time. But let us pray that we are on God’s side.” The fact that she reframed her own words (quite adroitly, it must be said) later on does not alter the fact that she said what she said.
And concerning the creationism/Young Earth quote: the point is not that it is from “some blogger”, but that a major newspaper deemed it fit to print, i.e. found it credible.
But I will grant you this: the debate should not be about “gotcha” but about substance. In the case of this blog: the substance of maps. I will therefore remove the relevant passage; politics can be discussed elsewhere (and even here, sometimes), but the focus should be cartography.
Comment by strangemaps — October 4, 2008 @ 10:34 pm
Well, that’s it for you and me, Strange Maps. You were kinda fun (when you got around to maintaining your blog) but for you to claim you are un-biased is absolutely absurd. Viva McCain and Palin, God help us if we get stuck with Obama and Biden. They run on a platform of “change” — yep, that’s all you’ll have in your pocket when they get done with us. . .
Comment by Robin Gardella — October 4, 2008 @ 10:47 pm
I want more WAR.
Comment by God — October 4, 2008 @ 11:05 pm
@Robin Gardella:
I have no dog in this fight. Pointing out absurdities or inconsistencies in one team’s position does not equal agreeing with the other team.
Comment by strangemaps — October 4, 2008 @ 11:15 pm
Then, Strange, we will await your blogging a map that ridicules Obama or Biden? Your commentary below the magazine cover clearly IS biased, to argue it is not is ridiculous. “At least she managed to pronounce the name of Iran’s president with surprising accuracy. . .” Not biased? Is that an ‘absurdity’ or ‘inconsistency’? Let’s see: yes, if you’re biased. . .should have restrained yourself and kept politics out of mappin’. . .
Comment by Robin Gardella — October 4, 2008 @ 11:29 pm
In Christian (and Moslem) theology, all wars are God’s will – as is everything else that happens. As Lincoln noted in his Second Inaugural:
Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue…
However, at the same time, humans have free will. They get to choose right or wrong, and the choices are not always clear. Praying for guidance in choosing, or praying that those in authority who make the big choices will choose right, is NOT the same as claiming that anyone’s choice is the will of God.
BTW, I am not a Christian.
Also, I wouldn’t claim citation by the LA Times as much evidence of credibility. The Times has published stories about the “hip-hop wars” based on extremely dubious sources and been forced to retract a lot of them. In addition to a lot of other bad “reporting”.
One last point: until now, this was a very interesting and amusing site, which seemed free of the dreadful tendency to inject political venom into everything. It is very sad to see that end. It is especially sad to see it lapse into stupid and fraudulent invective.
But in the sacred cause of saving civil liberty from total abolition by the fascist Rethuglicans, enemies of all that is good and decent, there can be no holding back, right?
Comment by Rich Rostrom — October 4, 2008 @ 11:32 pm
@Robin Gardella:
This blog does not produce maps, it only reproduces them. If a nice map shows up ridiculing the other camp, I’d be more than willing to post it, and to explain why it ridicules them.
RE the pronunciation of the name of Iran’s president: I read an article the other day noting with relief that Palin pronounced his name quite correctly during her debate, as opposed to many more experienced politicians who can’t manage to do the same. That’s the info I was trying to convey.
Comment by strangemaps — October 4, 2008 @ 11:40 pm
@ Rich Rostrom:
Points taken.
BTW, I do not agree that criticising politicians for their shortcomings automatically equals agreeing with their opponents. But I do now see the value of the old saying that politics and religion are subjects to be avoided in conversation.
Comment by strangemaps — October 4, 2008 @ 11:46 pm
How about a map showing all 57 states?
Comment by Barry From Chicago — October 5, 2008 @ 1:07 am
Yeah, I’ll be voting for a woman who expects rape victims to pay for their own tests – but happily waives the fee for white women, never for Indian women.
No, no racism inherent there.
Comment by Charlene — October 5, 2008 @ 1:24 am
Charlene, if you are referring to Sarah Palin, then you are a liar. But if not, then who are you referring to?
Comment by Tom McMahon — October 5, 2008 @ 1:48 am
[...] This Quick Hit is via the enthralling Strange Maps: “Les extrèmes se touchent: Palinworld“: [...]
Pingback by Quick Hit: New Yorker covers and Strange Maps at Hoyden About Town — October 5, 2008 @ 2:04 am
Don’t forget that she was very recently an active member of a secessionist party in Alaska.
Comment by sabernar — October 5, 2008 @ 2:08 am
sabernar, if you are referring to Sarah Palin, then you are a liar too. But if not, then who are you referring to?
Comment by Tom McMahon — October 5, 2008 @ 2:21 am
Tom, she attended the convention of this seccessionist (treasonous) party quite recently, and huband Todd was unquestionably a member — his voter registration is a matter of public record. At the very least, she lent her local fame and her husband to the party.
I’d say that counts as support.
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 2:28 am
Whoops. Mistyped secessionist.
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 2:30 am
Carsie: there is a difference between misspeaking and pig ignorance. That’s the difference, as it happens, is also a key difference between between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin.
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 2:33 am
Ugh. Unable to type without error tonight.
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 2:34 am
Bad move. Have enjoyed this blog since shortly after it started up. But now it’s gone political. What next, religion? Strangemaps, you didn’t hide your bias very well in your writeup. It comes across clearly … and I’m not a Palin supporter, just a realist. What is so jarring is that you have never (to my recollection) shown such a bias in the past, but have just provided clever & humorous commentary … about MAPS and CULTURE. So it’s shouldn’t be surprising to see a flurry of indignations when you start to tread on POLITICS, which most of us find deadly serious. Please go back.
Comment by Tim — October 5, 2008 @ 2:34 am
But sabernar said “Don’t forget that she was very recently an active member of a secessionist party in Alaska.”, NOT that she knew someone who was a member or that her husband was a member. So he’s a liar, unless he was talking about somebody else.
Comment by Tom McMahon — October 5, 2008 @ 2:54 am
Tim -
People who can’t handle opinions that diverge from their own… I just don’t understand ‘em. I read a lot of blogs on a lot of subjects. I see a lot of politics discussed, of which I don’t agree with most. People disagree. Often they disagree in interesting ways.
So where’s the problem?
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 3:20 am
Sabernar was inaccurate, but not so far off the mark. Palin’s pretty clearly tied to the AIP, and I note that your correction did not include this information. It was not factually inaccurate — but by what it withheld, neither did it get the discussion closer to the truth.
So I wouldn’t go hucking rocks around so wildly, Mr. Glasshouse.
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 3:24 am
Sounds like the waaaahmbulance is going by Strange Maps.
Comment by Rey Fox — October 5, 2008 @ 3:58 am
Yeah, some folks just can’t handle the truth.
Comment by Tom McMahon — October 5, 2008 @ 4:20 am
Wheras Tom’s all about the truth. Just not, you know, the *whole* truth.
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 4:41 am
…bringing things back on-topic, a map doesn’t haveto be wrong to be dangerously bad. It just has to leave something important out (See #41).
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 4:43 am
Can she see Canada from Alaska, isn’t it a foreign nation?
Comment by Mike — October 5, 2008 @ 6:36 am
@Tim: On the contrary, I think StrangeMaps gets it exactly right with the comment “Strange Maps tries to be nonpartisan and apolitical, but insists on being anti-nonsense”.
If you think that criticising absurdity is a form of political bias, perhaps you should stop for a moment and consider what that says about you.
Comment by Stephen — October 5, 2008 @ 7:45 am
It seems to me that the McCain / Palin supporters are all suffering from a severe case of rabid defensiveness.
I can’t imagine why that would be.
Comment by phrawzty — October 5, 2008 @ 9:08 am
There are 5 or 6 gazillion political blogs. One that I know of that covers strange maps. Look again at the “map”. Quite an ordinary cover of the “New Yorker” magazine. Is it a strange map? Ummm, well … it’s probably one of the least strangest that have ever been put on this blog. Read the original commentary. Does it discuss the map? Well the first para almost does, then the next 5 paragraphs go political. Read the comments. Do they discuss the map? No, what I’m seeing is a bunch of republicans and democrats sniping at each other. BORING. I’m not one to restrict what strangemaps is supposed to be, it’s up to the blogger to decide that one … but for me, there are already lots of other places to argue politics, and I for one like to see a discussion about the strangeness of maps, which even mr. strangemaps seems to have lost focus. If this is an indicator of the future of the blog then I’m rather lost. Enjoy your politics while I head elsewhere.
Comment by Tim — October 5, 2008 @ 10:58 am
What’s so bad about secessionism? Everyone acts like even entertaining the thought of seceding from the US is anathema.
Comment by lukas — October 5, 2008 @ 1:41 pm
Strangemaps@17, thank you. I appreciate your intellectual honesty.
Comment by Robert — October 5, 2008 @ 1:53 pm
If George Smiley wants to defend a liar like sabernar, that’s his choice. But please note even sabernar has thought better than try to defend his lie. George needs to learn that making a false assertion — without ANY factual support, of course — just because you want it to be true is the worst form of partisanship. Hardly any Change or Hope that you folks like to talk about endlessly, eh?
Comment by Tom McMahon — October 5, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
Maybe it’s just right-wing dumbness, but I was sure she was joking when she made the quote regarding “seeing Russia from Alaska”.
Comment by Luís Guilherme Fernandes Pereira — October 5, 2008 @ 3:16 pm
Tom McMahon thinks that other people cannot make errors. Hence, Tom McMahon thinks that every misstatement must therefore be a lie.
The inside of Tom McMahon’s brain must be a very, very dark place.
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 5:02 pm
“Don’t forget that she was very recently an active member of a secessionist party in Alaska.” That’s a lie, not a misstatement, unless you’re trying to spin it on behalf of the Obama campaign.
Comment by Tom McMahon — October 5, 2008 @ 5:12 pm
To lie, Tom, is to tell a falsehood that one KNOWS to be a falsehood. A lie is deliberate.
Tom, of course, cannot *prove* that sabernar knew his or her statement to be a falsehood. He cannot prove intent. Yet over and over he splutters, lie, lie, lie.
Tom is either very paranoid, or very dishonest.
Poor Tom.
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 5:22 pm
Just like the recent attempt at a parody cover of The One! and his wife in the White House, this cover says a lot more about the how low a formerly inportant magazine has fallen than it says about a vice-presidential candidate.
(This is the same magazine which continues to pay a blogger who still thinks that the ancestry of Palin’s youngest son is relevent and important.)
I’d much prefer the disclaimer just come out say you favor one canididate over another instead of this phony non-partisanship that the Left uses as some sort of indulgence to cover their biases.
Comment by Raoul Ortega — October 5, 2008 @ 6:21 pm
strangemaps, I think you did a good job here. And the comments above that suggest that “if you’re not for them, you’re against them” participate in the “no grey areas” ideology that is ripping our country to shreds.
You can chose NOT TO BE FOR SOMEONE. That does not automatically mean that you are FOR THE OTHER SIDE. I understand that.
Comment by Angelina — October 5, 2008 @ 6:33 pm
In what passes for argumentation from today’s right wing, Raoul typed: “this phony non-partisanship that the Left uses as some sort of indulgence to cover their biases.”
Because, you know, no one on the other side would ever engage in “phony non-partisanship.” That would be unthinkable. Yeah. That’s the ticket.
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 6:34 pm
Stephan writes: “Strange Maps tries to be nonpartisan and apolitical, but insists on being anti-nonsense.”
I doubt it. If it insisted on being anti-nonsense all the time, it would be mocking all four candidates 24×7.
Comment by The Reticulator — October 5, 2008 @ 6:39 pm
Reticulator: Agreed. Of course, we also should recognize that the ground may be completely covered with fertilizer, but that doesn’t mean that it the fertilizer is spread evenly…
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 7:08 pm
blog critics never cease to amaze me. i wonder if a single mind has ever been change in a thread like this, or if a single tear has ever been shared when an offended reader declared that they would no longer partake of a free blog.
i’m not sure it’s your job to be impartial, SM: certainly very few maps could be said to be so. i found your site recently, and, since i live in kosovo, i searched for kosovo maps right away. the one i found on your site inspired a similar amount of controversy to this, if a little more hateful. if you have time, please let me know: what post of yours has generated the most disapproval/hate mail?
keep up the good work.
Comment by kosovo travelogue — October 5, 2008 @ 7:43 pm
Please, please, please keep your political views off this blog.
Comment by Jason — October 5, 2008 @ 7:43 pm
ugh: it’s late. sorry for the mistakes: should read “changed” and “tear has ever been shed”
Comment by kosovo travelogue — October 5, 2008 @ 7:45 pm
“Oh noes! There might be an opinion that I disagreez with! It hurtz my delicate eyes! It stingz!”
Folks, disagreement is the very stuff of a rich life. Without diagreement, we learn nothing.
Don’t run from intellectual conflict — honor it. Relish it. Engage.
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 7:54 pm
[...] “Governor Palin, are you now or have you ever been a member of a traitorous secessionist party in Alaska? ” (This was an accusation being flung around in the comments section of Strangemaps.) [...]
Pingback by The Reticulator » The fifties are back! — October 5, 2008 @ 8:05 pm
Whoa, talk about panties in a bunch.
Comment by Jere — October 5, 2008 @ 8:29 pm
The point remains … just what does all this have to do with “strange maps”? The map itself isn’t strange. The comments are not about the map. This is the first time in my several years of visiting this blog when everyone is in a foul state of agitation taking pot shots at one another’s political opinions and dissing each other and generally being rude. It’s like I’ve dropped into some alternate strangemaps universe here. It has nothing to do with “opening up my mind to other opinions” … heck I do that all the time on the politico blogs. That’s where the nastiness is (and yes that is where the brave go to get educated on the alternative viewpoints). Just guess this little corner of the blogosphere is not as peaceful as it once was … all because of a (in my humble opinion) a not-so-strange-map.
Comment by Tim — October 5, 2008 @ 8:51 pm
Tim,
I see where you’re coming from. Here’s how I see it. A map is an extract of information about the world. It HAS to leave things out, other things stay in. With luck the choices made result in a useful map. Now, what’s a “stange map?” It’s a map that departs from our expectations in odd or unexpected ways. That adds or omits curious details, emphases, or perspectives.
The key is that to be strange, there must be dissonance between the map’s author and its audience.
I’d certainly say that this map and the ensuing discussion meet that criterion.
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 9:08 pm
Thank you for the courteous reply. I guess we can agree to disagree over the degree of strangeness of the map in question. To you, it has some dissonace and is intriguing. To me, it is just a cover of a magazine … is no more of an attempt at showing a cartographic interpretation of the world than any generalized sketch of a landscape with some hills and valleys (acknowledging they are annotated). I just kind of find the sketch unremarkable, uninteresting and boring. It’s probably me, but I’m finding it difficult to see any deep cartographic / geographic / worldview construct within the magazine cover. And judging from the lack of comments on the map / sketch itself (your most recent reply excluded), I might not be alone in my opinion of the map. But we can smile and agree to disagree.
Again, thank you for your courteous response.
Comment by Tim — October 5, 2008 @ 9:20 pm
“But we can smile and agree to disagree.”
Boy, I sure hope so.
Have a great afternoon!
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 9:33 pm
good article thank you
Comment by tony — October 5, 2008 @ 10:01 pm
Yes, George, what sabenar said WAS a lie. It WAS deliberate, made for the purpose of scoring political points against Sarah Palin. Evidently you’re OK with that. What more need be said, really?
Comment by Tom McMahon — October 5, 2008 @ 10:49 pm
Tom claims clairvoyance: he can divine the intent of another person through a single comment on an internet comment thread.
Tom is insane.
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 11:23 pm
…or deeply disingenouous.
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 11:24 pm
…of course I can’t say which. Unlike Tom, I’m do not claim to be clairvoyant.
Comment by George Smiley — October 5, 2008 @ 11:24 pm
That’s it, George, when your side gets caught in a lie, just call the other side names.
Comment by Tom McMahon — October 6, 2008 @ 12:08 am
Tom, in #27 you accused another poster of being a liar, but provide no context or new facts. In #31, I pointed out that the original poster was indeed incorrect, but not so far off the mark.
I do not know the original poster (in meatspace or on the web), and I assume that you don’t either. I have no idea whether the original poster was a misinformed partisan who thought he or she had the facts correct, or someone who was intentionally spreading a falsehood.
I’d guess the former. Why? Because the facts are damning enough. Le us be clear. In #27 your main goal was to smear a “liar.”
Here is what I think (this is an interpretation, not a fact — a distinction that you seem unable to parse). If your goal had been to inform, or to discuss, you would have (a) given the benefit of the doubt (“you do realize, don’t you, that this is incorrect); and (b) you would have provided the actual facts that might have led to such a misstatement. This is what I did in #31.
Pot. Kettle. Tom.
Comment by George Smiley — October 6, 2008 @ 1:03 am
I think the hyperbole is justified…if Russia/USSR got in a nuclear war with the USA, many of the missiles would be flying over Alaska on their way to the mainland. Alaska would also be heavily decimated in a first strike, so any Alaskan should be watching Putin.
Comment by Flit — October 6, 2008 @ 3:43 am
“Heavily decimated” — as opposed to “lightly decimated”?
Comment by George Smiley — October 6, 2008 @ 3:46 am
When I was in college I got “heavily decimated” a couple of times. Let me tell you, it’s no laughing matter.
Comment by George Smiley — October 6, 2008 @ 3:48 am
George, you’re still doing it . . .
Comment by Tom McMahon — October 6, 2008 @ 4:19 am
You know how I know that the Democrats will win this election? Because the Republicans are so touchy, and whine about “bias” at the slightest provocation. This is how the Democrats behaved in in 2004, and they were soundly beaten. I would suggest to the Republicans to forget 2008, and look ahead to 2012.
strangemaps is correct in saying that criticism is not an automatic sign of disapproval. Or the corollary, that a compliment is not an automatic sign of approval.
I know that many Republicans and their supporters will think I’m biased… eh. I’m not bothered by the Boy Who Cried Bias.
Comment by Andrew — October 6, 2008 @ 6:48 am
Um, it was a bad joke, Tom. You know, like Sarah Palin.
Comment by George Smiley — October 6, 2008 @ 7:30 am
Thanks for publishing this interesting ’strange map’. The comments are hilarious!
Comment by Nick Brooke — October 6, 2008 @ 9:59 am
No, the bad joke would be electing Barack Obama, the candidate with a resume thinner than an Olsen twin.
Comment by Tom McMahon — October 6, 2008 @ 12:30 pm
“She has been outside of the US only once, on a visit to Alaska National Guard troops in Germany and Kuwait.”
Not true–she has also visited Canada and Mexico, which, last I checked, are outside the US.
Comment by Clay — October 6, 2008 @ 2:23 pm
The Palin syndroma is a kind of palindrome drama, yea, yea, yea…
Comment by lp — October 6, 2008 @ 6:33 pm
“Carsie: there is a difference between misspeaking and pig ignorance. That’s the difference, as it happens, is also a key difference between between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin.”
Thanks, G. Smiley. For illustrating that the difference between Biden & Palin is that Biden can demonstrate misspeaking and pig ignorance simultaneously.
As for the 57 states map, that does sound interesting and strange.
Comment by Carsie Shafer — October 6, 2008 @ 6:40 pm
Oh wow, there is a 57 states map! Lets see if it is strange enough to get “equal time” and “fairness” on this great blog:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/57states.jpg
Nonpartisan and apolitical?
I disagree Strangemaps on Palin, but I’ll keep reading.
Comment by Carsie Shafer — October 6, 2008 @ 6:44 pm
Strangemaps: Very entertaining, but when it comes to politics, wrong in every way.
Comment by Cappy — October 7, 2008 @ 12:59 am
“Not true–she has also visited Canada and Mexico, which, last I checked, are outside the US.
Comment by Clay — October 6, 2008″
Not for long, Clay…
Comment by Flit — October 7, 2008 @ 2:30 am
This blog would be so much better if the comments were disabled.
Comment by Kristian — October 7, 2008 @ 7:21 am
Please don’t let anyone censor you, Strangemaps!
To me, as a European, it is a great mystery why so many North Americans seem to be so defensive, so easy to hurt…
The comments on this page remind me of the reactions to the ”Absolut Mexico” add:
http://is.gd/3DJL
Cool down, North American brothers and sisters!
Censorship out of fear for other people’s gut feeling is NOT the way to create an interesting, thought-provoking blog.
Comment by Bjørn A. Bojesen — October 7, 2008 @ 7:55 am
[...] Palinworld – New Yorker coverpageA humorous take by New Yorker on how Palin Sees the world form her home [...]
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I don’t think anybody wants Strangemaps censored. It will get more traffic if it is, as it claims to be, ‘nonpartisan’. Like, perhaps, some maps displaying how legislation enacted during the Carter and Clinton administrations led to the housing bubble bursting by requiring banks to lend money to unqualified home buyers. Perhaps the map could show the areas of the country most affected by which bank or institution and how much they invested in the election campaigns of certain left-wingers.
Comment by Carsie Shafer — October 7, 2008 @ 2:34 pm
“apolitical” my ass.
Comment by Bill — October 7, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
“This blog does not produce maps, it only reproduces them. If a nice map shows up ridiculing the other camp, I’d be more than willing to post it, and to explain why it ridicules them.” Except that was a picture, not a map. When you start commenting on Obama’s whirlwind tour or Iraq, Afghanistan, and Europe, and ridiculing how that doesn’t exactly give him foreign policy experience, either, you’ll have some ground to stand on.
Comment by Louis — October 7, 2008 @ 8:32 pm
Americans and a sense of humour: not always compatible, it seems… As for who will get elected, McCain or Obama, I think it is best to remember the wise words of The Who in their song “Won’t Get Fooled Again”: “Meet the new boss / Same as the old boss…”
Comment by Ludwig — October 8, 2008 @ 3:44 pm
“Might be a good time to look for maps illustrating the penetration of television ownership in 1929.”
There must have been a few, public TV broadcasts began in 1928 in the US.
But I’d dearly love to know which clip he was thinking of (obviously either not FDR, or not 1929) & see it posted on YouTube or something.
Comment by llew — October 8, 2008 @ 11:47 pm
Which clip who was listening to? Biden?
Comment by Carsie Shafer — October 9, 2008 @ 4:08 pm
I am curious, to what is the 57 states map linked above supposed to represent?
Also, I love the blog strangemaps, regardless of politics. Don’t let either side get you down.
Comment by Derek — October 9, 2008 @ 8:17 pm
Obama said he has been to 57 states:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/05/020490.php
Comment by Carsie Shafer — October 9, 2008 @ 10:55 pm
[...] by the New Yorker itself, as a comment on vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s world view. [via Strangemaps click for full article and enlarged cover] Filed under Opinion & Current Affairs, Politics & Economics having Leave a [...]
Pingback by Irreverence » The World According to Palin — October 10, 2008 @ 9:40 am
57 states, FDR in 1929: Slips of the tongue during a two-year long election cycle. Worthy of petty nitpicking over.
Being near Russia = foreign policy experience: Constantly repeated, a central point of the case for selection as VP-candidate. Worthy of attention, and approval or skepticism.
Republicans are apt to find bias whenever they feel threatened, whether it exists or not. Sometimes it does, but usually, well Stephen Colbert put it best: Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
Comment by Andy — October 12, 2008 @ 4:26 am
Strangemaps, Keep up the good work. Perhaps this map wasn’t strange enough and I don’t know whether I’d call your including ut brave or foolhardy.
At least it provoked a (mostly) intelligent debate. I’m in Europe and the Us election has fascinated many of us here. I do tink fo r balance that now might be a good time to post the Obama 57-state map. I hadn’t heard that one before and it’s hilarious. I speak as someone without a vote but who has a gut feeling that Obama/Biden will be better for global security in the long run than McCain/Palin.
Comment by Pat — October 13, 2008 @ 6:44 pm
Right, 57 states & FDR in 1929 are just slips of the tongue but “see Russia from my house” couldn’t possibly be a figure of speech or anything like that. And the top of the Dem ticket, a community organizer who grew up in Indonesia and Kansas and gave a speech in Germany MUST be a foreign affairs expert and executive for sure.
I BELIEVE! :) CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE!!! :)
Congrats on getting your news from comedy central.
Comment by Carsie Shafer — October 13, 2008 @ 11:48 pm
Back on September 16th I sent the following amusing map link to strangemaps, thinking it funny enough that he would publish it. He didn’t, needless to say. Biased? Nah.
http://penetratinginsights.blogtownhall.com/2008/09/09/obamas_electoral_map.thtml
Comment by Matt — October 15, 2008 @ 3:27 am
Matt,
It could be that the map isn’t funny.
Comment by Ben — October 16, 2008 @ 8:45 pm
Ben, it is probably funny to about 50% of the country. Like the map in this post is probably funny to only about 50% of the country.
Comment by Carsie Shafer — October 17, 2008 @ 7:50 pm
How about a map of Obama’s travels through the Muslim nations during college. It would be interesting to view compared to one of McCains government history in the region.
Comment by Robert — October 20, 2008 @ 8:33 am
симпотичненький ресурс)) Посты интересные и дизайн красивый) Ребят, активней пишем! Вас читают!
Comment by Альбина — October 21, 2008 @ 6:27 am
“Like the map in this post is probably funny to only about 50% of the country.”
Current electoral maps (keepin’ it on topic!) suggest that it will be substantially more than 50% by election day. Of course, if I were in the remainder, I’d have lost my sense of humor, too.
Comment by George Smiley — October 24, 2008 @ 6:19 am
Try not to loose your sense of humor when Obama becomes Dukakis Part II
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/ElectoralCollege1988.svg/350px-ElectoralCollege1988.svg.png
Remember how he was up about 17% before the 1988 election? Better run along and commit some more voter registration fraud so Obama can even come close.
Comment by Carsie Shafer — October 24, 2008 @ 6:34 pm
This is disappointing. This was an amusing blog, and a welcome respite from constant election sound bites.
Comment by Kyralessa — October 28, 2008 @ 7:55 am
In your face, Carsie! :-)
Comment by Epaminondas — November 5, 2008 @ 11:53 am
Thank you, comrade. I underestimated the power of the Acorn horde.
Comment by Carsie Shafer — November 5, 2008 @ 5:44 pm
Yes, Carsie. It’s astonishing that Acorn managed to make the election outcome match the polling almost exactly (not). Of course, if your preferred style of American politics is the paranoid style, you might find this map a bit strange. But, lacking a significant sense of humor, you probably still won’t find it funny. Of course, it’s easy to be surprised by reality if you watch too much Fox News. But then, by now it comes as little surprise that conservatives are easily startled.
I guess I’ll just have to give the second to the last word to Sonh Stuart Mill: “I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.” The last word, of course, goes to the Electoral College.
Comment by George Smiley — November 11, 2008 @ 6:35 am
Whoops. Here’s a missing link: pay more attention.
Comment by George Smiley — November 11, 2008 @ 6:39 am
YES COMRADE! I will embrace the socialist utopia for the next 4 years, otherwise known as Carter Part II.
Comment by Carsie Shafer — November 11, 2008 @ 7:33 pm
You’re day late, and at least a trillion dollars short, Carsie.
The GOP has already nationalized vast chunks of the financial and insurance industries, while growing the federal budget and the deficit to unprecedented levels.
Anything Obama can possibly do will would at most put a thin layer of frosting on GWB’s enormous cow-cake.
Comment by George Smiley — November 11, 2008 @ 9:50 pm
Whoops. Make that THREE trillion dollars short.
Gotta love that GOP socialism.
Comment by George Smiley — November 11, 2008 @ 11:58 pm
Right. We see how well that worked. Lets fight fire with fire huh? What a towering pile of logic.
Comment by Carsie Shafer — November 12, 2008 @ 4:19 pm
We are at the end of eight years of a GOP presidency, ALL under GOP senate control, and six years of GOP control of the house. According to Carsie, booting the GOP is “fighting fire with fire.”
Carsie provides further evidence — and such evidence was already thick on the ground — that John Stuart Mill was a very, very smart man.
Comment by George Smiley — November 12, 2008 @ 4:32 pm
I’ll take Alexander Fraser Tytler and Adam Smith while the thought police allow it.
I do agree with George on one though. The GOP should have acted like the GOP instead of embracing the policies of our current Chairman-elect prior to his actual hype triumph.
Comment by Carsie Shafer — November 13, 2008 @ 8:30 pm
Re #115 – I couldn’t agree more with you, George. I spent several years as a teenager delivering my newspapers in ‘the projects’ and I noticed how those welfare recipients in government housing all tended to be liberal geniuses. I’m sure things haven’t changed completely in the past few years.
So, it’s great to know we will soon have a liberal genius in the White House too.
It’s difficult to imagine how BO could screw things up much worse than GWB and the current Congress have already done, but if there’s a way, I’m sure he and all his liberal genius pals will find it.
After all, just look at how well the liberal geniuses in Brussels, London, and Paris are doing!
I can’t wait to be just like them! – can you?
Comment by Fred — November 17, 2008 @ 8:30 pm
Wow. “Several years” delivering papers in the projects. You’re like a fricken’ Horatio Alger character, come to life.
Anyway… so glad to see that so many in our opposition *still* don’t know the difference between “anecdote” and “data.”
Comment by George Smiley — November 18, 2008 @ 4:01 am
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Pingback by I can see Russia from my house « Man of the Bridge — November 20, 2008 @ 11:40 pm
Strangemaps@17:
Well, I’m way late to the argument, but the simple fact of the matter is that you were wrong wrong wrong about what you thought Palin meant by the phrase “that our leaders, our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God.”
I was raised a Southern Baptist, and these days associate with known Episcopalians. From one extreme to the other, I guess. But I speak, or at least understand, both languages, & can tell you that both varieties of Christian would recognize Palin’s locution as being what Rich@22 states: “…praying that those in authority who make the big choices will choose right…”
Robert@9 has it right: the prayer is not for God to come on over & support our side, but rather, expresses the hope that our leaders haven’t misunderstood God’s will – that in waging war we are working in accordance with God’s will rather than against it.
Most Christians would understand the point. That so many people misunderstood what Palin was saying speaks to the extent to which many people in our culture have become unchurched. Or post-Christian, if you prefer.
So she did not “backtrack” as you state @17. Her second formulation has exactly the same meaning as her first formulation.
Comment by harmon — November 21, 2008 @ 5:05 am
Did I say $3 trillion? Make that $7.4 trillion of GOP socialism.. And the nuts are worried about Obama. It is to laugh.
Comment by George Smiley — November 24, 2008 @ 3:20 pm
Yeah, I’m sure Obama’s socialism will be far more tame. At least he will pay for our gasoline and mortgages. Somehow…
Comment by Renee — November 25, 2008 @ 2:40 am
Can he really top $7.4 trillion? Not freaking likely:
• Marshall Plan: Cost: $12.7 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $115.3 billion
• Louisiana Purchase: Cost: $15 million, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $217 billion
• Race to the Moon: Cost: $36.4 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $237 billion
• S&L Crisis: Cost: $153 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $256 billion
• Korean War: Cost: $54 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $454 billion
• The New Deal: Cost: $32 billion (Est), Inflation Adjusted Cost: $500 billion (Est)
• Invasion of Iraq: Cost: $551b, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $597 billion
• Vietnam War: Cost: $111 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $698 billion
• NASA: Cost: $416.7 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $851.2 billion
TOTAL: $3.92 trillion
Stick a fork in conservatism, folks. It’s done, and it was George W. Bush, darlin’ of the right, who gone done it.
Comment by George Smiley — November 26, 2008 @ 6:45 am
Right. Obama & Biden. The two rubes who voted for the infamous bridge to nowhere after Palin voted against it. I’m sure they’ll turn down all the pork. Go sell crazy somewhere else.
Comment by Renee — November 26, 2008 @ 9:22 pm
That reply is just sad, Renee.
Comment by George Smiley — November 28, 2008 @ 2:10 am
As a born and raised Alaskan, I can only say THANK YOU to Strange Maps for having the guts to be clear and cut in stating that Governor Palin is pure non-sense. After two years of her in office, I can say it is indeed the truth. I sent over $100 to Obama to defeat McCain/Palin, and donated to Begich to defeat Senator Stevens.
Looks like it payed off.
-long time reader and fan of StrangeMaps
Comment by marcus — November 28, 2008 @ 2:13 am
It’ll be better if you write “les extrêmes se touchent”. See the difference between the ê and the è.
;-)
Comment by Julien — November 30, 2008 @ 8:04 pm
My Heavens!
Is there no place on the internet where one can get away from politics? Both sides in America believe that what they have to say is so important.
In reality, anyone that thinks any lying, thieving politician will change people’s lives in any good way is a complete idiot!
Comment by Log Cabin — December 2, 2008 @ 6:30 am
Аффтар 5 балафф!
Comment by deni-pc — January 12, 2009 @ 11:48 am
You’re right, Log Cabin. Joseph Stalin = Abraham Lincoln!
Comment by George Smiley — January 24, 2009 @ 11:44 pm
[...] New Yorker. The map (discussed earlier) has been parodied many times over, one recent example being this view of Palinworld by the New Yorker magazine, which had published the original map in [...]
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“She has been outside of the US only once, on a visit to Alaska National Guard troops in Germany and Kuwait.”
She has been to Canada many times, first because many trips between Alaska and the lower 48 states go through Canada, and latterly to negotiate with Canadian politicians. Since I’m a Canadian I can neither be a Democrat nor a Republican, but I can recognize obvious errors of fact.
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