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October 25, 2009

418 – The Turkish-Islamic Empire

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turkislambirligi

Like Russia or the UK, Turkey is the successor state to a once dominant world power. And much as in those other countries, nostalgic memories of Empire (the Ottoman one, in Turkey’s case) compare unfavourably with today’s status as merely a ‘normal’ country.

All former superpowers must deal with a world that is decidedly less impressed by them than before. The resulting frustration is confined (mainly) to the extremist fringes of politics. But in those margins, chauvinist delusions of grandeur conspire to make up for lost glories. Point in case is Russia’s projected ‘Third Empire’ (see entry #177).

This map is another example of geopolitical grandstanding, but from a Turkish perspective. It shows what a global empire based on pan-Islamism and pan-Turkism would look like – a mega-state combining the Ummah (the lands where Islam dominates) with Turan (the name for all countries and regions inhabited by Turkic people). The Empire thus projected results from the maximum overlap of two distinct ideologies of which Turkey is, in the mind of the map-maker at least, the natural point of convergence. The Turkish-Islamic Empire (I can only infer that translation of the map’s title) occupies:

  • Turkey in its present form, of course;
  • The whole of Cyprus;
  • Certain Muslim-majority areas in the Balkans, i.e. Bosnia and Albania
  • As well as Eastern European regions where Turks or related nationalities live: in Bulgaria, the Crimea, southern Moldavia (i.e. Gagauzia)
  • In Western Europe, areas where Turks or other Muslims are heavily present, i.e. France, Germany and Spain;
  • Most of Africa north of the Equator (with notable exception of Liberia, parts of Nigeria, Mali, Chad, Sudan, Ethiopia) and some parts to the south of it, namely the coastal areas of Kenia and Tanzania, and an enclave in the DR Congo;
  • The whole of the Middle East, excluding Lebanon (partly Christian), but including Iran;
  • A large part of the former Soviet Union, including all the central Asian republics (Turkic and Muslim) and large areas of Russia proper (indigenous Turkic peoples, who generally aren’t Muslim);
  • Mongolia, East Turkestan (Chinese at present, recently the scene of riots between native Turkic muslims and immigrated Han Chinese);
  • Afghanistan, Pakistan, almost all of India, half of Sri Lanka, all of Bangladesh, the whole of Indonesia and Malaysia and even the only partially muslim Philippines.

As a nationalist movement, pan-Turkism’s rise and heyday coincided with similar ideologies in 19th and 20th century Europe, such as Pan-Germanism, Pan-Slavism and even Zionism. Nationalism seems a largely discredited and spent force nowadays. Pan-Islamism is a bit more a la mode, as Islam as a global political force has been in the ascendant in recent decades.

It is, however, not clear that political Islam’s agenda is driven by a vision of the Caliphate, the once and future Empire covering the Ummah, under one ruler uniting absolute spiritual authority with temporal power. But surely it is significant, especially for this vision of a Turko-Islamic Empire, that the last holder of the title of Caliph, however symbolic by that time, was the last Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, deposed by Ataturk’s secularist republic.

 Which lends extra poignancy to the vision of Turkey as the lynchpin of this empire, covering all Muslims and all Turks. However, at no point did any sultan even come close to uniting all Turks and Muslims, or even all Turks or Muslims, in one state. So this Turko-Islamic Empire isn’t an object of nostalgia, but a political project. One can see why this would come naturally to hardcore Turkish nationalists, but it’s hard to see what’s in it for those who do not share their ‘overlap’. Why would a Siberian shaman feel any desire to be a citizen of the same state as a West African Muslim? Or vice versa?

Many thanks to Ilya Vinarski, another_m69, and others who contributed this map, found here.


80 Comments »

  1. Fascinating – let’s hope it doesn’t provoke too much antagonistic comment. My Turkish is poor, but the title seems to invoke “peace and love”.

    They have missed out the large Turkish and Islamic populations in the UK, and also those in the USA and Canada. No matter.

    Comment by Hugh Everett (Manchester, UK) — October 25, 2009 @ 2:44 pm

  2. What about Spain? The Iberic Peninsula was once (partially) conquered by the Mores, which were islamic too.

    Comment by IIVQ / Tijmen Stam — October 25, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

  3. Their country labels in East Africa are shifted one country up. Ethiopia is labelled as Kenya, Kenya is labelled as Tanzania, and Tanzania is labelled as Malawi. Peculiar…

    Comment by Matt — October 25, 2009 @ 2:58 pm

  4. 1. Excluding Lebanon (~30% Christian), but including Israel (80% Jewish)…

    2. While we’re at it, Zionism is not Pan-anything. A notable sect of it was so non-territorialistic that in the early 1900’s accepted the proposition for a Jewish state in parts of Uganda and Kenya.

    3. The maker of the map messed up some territory names, like the northward shift of the names Kenya, Tanzania and Malawi, at Ethiopia’s expense (and does that say “Burma” where Bangladesh is?). Also, the Maldives have been humungified.

    Comment by Yuval — October 25, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

  5. Unless I’m reading the map incorrectly, it seems that the empire only includes the northern half of Cyprus, leaving the southern half to the Greek Cypriots that currently inhabit it.

    Comment by Meng Bomin — October 25, 2009 @ 3:10 pm

  6. Türk-İslam Birliği == Turkish-Islamic Union, according to Google Translate…

    Comment by shane — October 25, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

  7. I’m curious why that chunk is cut out of India? It seems to exclude cities such as Hyderabad, which has a rich Islamic history.

    Comment by monsur — October 25, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

  8. “a vision of the Caliphate, the once and future Empire covering the Ummah, under one ruler uniting absolute spiritual authority with temporal power”

    … not really. In Islam there is no “spiritual authority”: “fatwa” means a “non binding opinion”, not “decree”, as it is commonly translated, and any Muslim scholar that has a degree from a recognized Islamic school has a right to “fatwa”s.

    “Turkey is the successor state ” … wrong, since the modern Turkish state was created through a nationalist rebellion against the Ottoman government.

    “Russia’s projected ‘Third Empire’” … Tzars’ Russia _was_ the Third Empire for a while … the Third Rome, to be more precise.

    Comment by Emil — October 25, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

  9. Looking closly, there does seem to be a patch of yellow in England, just north of London. It is pretty dark though.

    Comment by Martin — October 25, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

  10. Bangladesh also is mislabeled as Burma…

    Comment by FM — October 25, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

  11. Is that Djibouti just…missing?

    well, at least Ethiopia/’Kenya’ gets some coastline.

    I’m really more curious about how this map ended up with that and the giant misplaced Maldives than the politics.

    Comment by Tamara — October 25, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

  12. The point of the map is not to show where Turkey or Islam were once dominant, but rather where Turkic or Muslim people live today. That is why, for example, Greece, Spain, Macedonia and Portugal are not covered in yellow.

    Comment by Christopher Scollo — October 25, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

  13. A nitpick:

    The United Kingdom is not a successor state to the world power of the nineteenth century. Formed in 1707 and 1801, it is constitutionally the same state. Just without an empire.

    Comment by Bill — October 25, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

  14. The title says “the Turkish-Islamic union which’ll restore peace and love on earth”. I’d say the idea is creating a rival EU-like political/economical entity and not an actual state. More feasible, I guess, but not by much.

    Comment by alfred — October 25, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

  15. turkey does not occupy the whole of cyprus only half

    Comment by g — October 25, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

  16. I’m wondering if Israel is labelled “Israel” or “Palestine” (well, the Turkish equivalent). Turkey does have diplomatic relations with Israel, but this is rare for a state with a majority Muslim population, and since this is a pro-Muslim map, it’s worth the ask.

    I’m also wondering about the undulating line across Iran and Afghanistan. The ends of it do seem to mark off a legitimate territory (Kurdistan at the west end of the line, Kashmir on the east end), but it definitely seems to be deliberately connecting the two ends. For what purpose I can only speculate.

    Comment by David Kendall — October 25, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

  17. Alfred @#14: I believe that Frank is referring to the fact that the nation-state is actually an extremely recent phenomenon. The best place to read about this is Benedict Anderson’s “Imagined Communities.” Other resources include Eugene Weber’s “Peasants into Frenchmen” or even R.G. Collingwood’s “An Autobiography,” in which Collingwood writes:

    “Take Plato’s ‘Republic’ and Hobbes’s ‘Leviathan,’ so far as they are concerned with politics. Obviously the political theories they set forth are not the same. But do they represent two different theories of the same thing? Can you say that the ‘Republic’ give one account of ‘the nature of the State’ and the ‘Leviathan’ another? No; because Plato’s ‘State’ is the Greek πόλις [polis], and Hobbes’s is the absolutist State of the seventeenth century….

    “You can call the two things the same if you insist; but if you do, you must admit that the thing has got diablement changé en route, so that the ‘nature of the State’ in Plato’s time was genuinely different from the ‘nature of the State’ in Hobbes’s. I do not mean the empirical nature of the State; I mean the ideal nature of the State. What even the best and wisest of those who are engaged in politics are trying to do has altered. Plato’s ‘Republic’ is an attempt at a theory of one thing; Hobbes’s ‘Leviathan’ an attempt at a theory of something else” (R.G. Collingwood, An Autobiography, pp. 61-2).

    Likewise the U.K. is in fact the successor state to an essentially non-State British empire much farther from the Unites States today (the dominant geopolitical *nation-state*) and closer to ancient Rome.

    Comment by Mario — October 25, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

  18. (Sorry, meant Bill @13 above–got misled by the icons and numbering!)

    Comment by Mario — October 25, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

  19. Any ideas on the significance of the number of white circles? They number 20, maybe the number of states in the union?

    Also, knowing some people who hold this ideology I’d say they are hardly interested in cartographic accuracy. So don’t scratch your head if there is any significance to enlarged maldives or african coastal disposition :)

    Curious to know the source for the map though?

    Comment by Runon — October 25, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

  20. I actually saw this very map taped up in a storefront window on a trip to Turkey some years ago. It didn’t seem to have anything to do with what the store was selling (household products), so it most likely reflected the politics of the storeowner. As an aside, I checked out the Russian Empire map linked to in the text, and found it interesting that the Russian words labling the Asian Empire could be translated as “Kingdom of Heaven”.

    Comment by Bob Prokop — October 25, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

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  22. I wonder why the Philippines (and East Timor it seems) are yellow on this map, seems like a huge oversight.

    And the Kurdestan that seems to be shown on this map is bizarre; Turkey has threatened to invade and destroy any Kurdish state lest it lose its southeast chunk. Maybe in a world where Turkey controlled everything the Kurds would get a nominal, meaningless state.

    Comment by Walter — October 25, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

  23. @16: I found a bigger version of the map online and Israel is labelled as ‘Lebanon’, so not much help!

    Comment by rdu3y6 — October 25, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

  24. This is what happens when you’re eating a döner kebab: oily fingerprints everywhere on your newspaper…

    Comment by lp — October 25, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

  25. “#Certain Muslim-majority areas in the Balkans, i.e. Bosnia and Albania
    As well as Eastern European regions where Turks or related nationalities live: in Bulgaria, the Crimea, southern Moldavia (i.e. Gagauzia)
    In Western Europe, areas where Turks or other Muslims are heavily present, i.e. France, Germany and Spain”

    Hmm, after seeing this, is there any question why some are wary of Turkey joining the European Union?

    Comment by yrag — October 25, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

  26. @20: Sorry, off topic- ‘Podnebesnaya’ (‘under heaven’: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianxia) is a Russian journalistic epithet for China, along the lines of ‘the Emerald Isle’ or ‘the Land of the Rising Sun’.

    Comment by Baptist Nunn — October 25, 2009 @ 10:59 pm

  27. P.S. If I was an East Indian, I’d be none too thrilled either, are all the Hindus to be squeezed into a small corner of India?

    And the Philippines?

    Maybe it’s best the Turks stay right were they are.

    Comment by yrag — October 25, 2009 @ 11:03 pm

  28. #25: With an empire like that, who’d want to join the European Union. Chances are, they’d want to join Turkey.

    # 16, #23: The Turks would probably see themselves as protector of the Jews…as the Ottomans were back when Spain was expelling the Jews out of their land.

    Comment by Don H. — October 26, 2009 @ 1:34 am

  29. With respect, you blew the comparison in your opening line. Sure, it sucks for the UK and Russia to shrink from enormous empires to merely important countries. But consider Austria. Vienna was long the seat of one of the world’s largest empires, and overnight it shrunk to a country the size of Massachusetts and probably less political sway than Massachusetts. Austrians know the pain of before-and-after comparisons; Russians and Britons haven’t got a clue.

    Comment by Martin — October 26, 2009 @ 1:52 am

  30. @29: I’m from Massachusetts myself, but be fair: Massachusetts has an area of 27,000 km^2 whereas Austria has an area of 84,000 km^2, over 3 times as large. Although in demographic terms its closer – 6.5 million for Massachusetts and 8.4 million for Austria.

    Comment by Lazar — October 26, 2009 @ 2:31 am

  31. Google Translate translates the title to “Earth to RE-PEACE, PEACE AND LOVE WILL BRING Turkish-Islam Empire”

    Comment by psomerset — October 26, 2009 @ 2:35 am

  32. Birligi translates as union.

    Comment by Ramla — October 26, 2009 @ 2:55 am

  33. …and even the only partially muslim Philippines

    Comment by Duboi — October 26, 2009 @ 4:07 am

  34. AH, have talked about stories and forgotten the translation :)

    THE TURKISH-ISLAMIC UNION
    (not empire :p)
    which would bring serenity (huzur) peace (baris) and love (sevgi) to the Earth (yeryüzü)

    BTW – Christianity mentions about Messiah, Islam has “the arrival of Divine help” .. also there is Gene Roddenberry’s Star Trek universe :)

    Since we are all together on this lonely planet, whatever happens, I wish we could learn to get away with each other, and share the replicator technology to stop using money and fight for it..

    best regards

    Comment by alkarin — October 26, 2009 @ 6:28 am

  35. it appears I have a repeating problem with posting my message..

    Greetings; I suppose I’m the first Turkish here. Although not being a fan of it, I think I know what it is, and I know I could respond a few questions asked above….

    Comment by alkarin — October 26, 2009 @ 6:32 am

  36. cyprus never belonged to the ottoman empire. turks invaded cyprus in 1974.

    Comment by John — October 26, 2009 @ 10:24 am

  37. @36:

    Wikipedia disagrees:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_(Ottoman_Empire)

    Comment by Runon — October 26, 2009 @ 10:38 am

  38. …Hmmm. They also seem to have sunk Northern Ireland.

    Comment by Hhall — October 26, 2009 @ 12:48 pm

  39. I know that people have already offered that google translates birligi as ‘union’, but the ligi bit makes me think of League. Maybe this is the Turko-Islamic League / Turk-Muslim League.

    On India in the map, I was thinking that its trying to reclaim the old Mughal Empire and attach it to the Ottoman.

    But my biggest question here is, where exactly does this map really /extend/ the Islamic domain, and do so by adding Turks? I am sure that there are turks in central asia that aren’t muslim, but I’d think that non-Muslim Arabs are a bigger part of the Arab community than non-Muslim Turks. Heck I’d bet that there are more non-muslim turks in Turkey than in Central Asia (may be wrong about that).

    So this map is really interesting because what is does is say ‘here’s the muslim league’ but adds to it that Turkey should be its hegemon.

    I mean, the equivalent would be something like a map of Italy that says ‘the Rome- Roman Catholic kingdom’. Roman Catholic encompasses the city of Rome, just like Islamic encompasses/precedes anything Turkic in the above map.

    So again, at first its an odd combination, but I think it asks the viewer to realize that Turkey is being given supremacy here.

    Comment by nygdan — October 26, 2009 @ 1:17 pm

  40. Aahh, that map.. [Greetings alkarin, you're not the only Turk following this blog.]

    This map is the brainchild of Adnan Oktar (a.k.a. Harun Yahya), known in Turkey as “Adnan Hoca”. There is also a website for this Turkish-Islamic Union at http://www.turkislambirligi.com/ and you can see the map as a flash animation on the home page.

    Adnan Hoca is quite a controversial figure. He is a cult leader (almost like Scientology, going after the rich and having vast resources, but different no aliens involved). He was the one that published a 900 page glossy book called Atlas of Creation arguing against evolution and sent free copies to universities, libraries, and political figures around the world for free. He is also the reason why sites like WordPress, Google Groups or Youtube get blocked in Turkey from time to time as he opens lawsuits against content trying to bring him down.

    You can read more about this dude at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Oktar

    Comment by Tuxster — October 26, 2009 @ 1:36 pm

  41. oh, and “-liği” in “birliği” has nothing to do with the word “league” — it’s just the suffixes “-lik” and “-i” (the k is lenited to ğ in this case because it’s followed by a vowel).

    Comment by alfred — October 26, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

  42. There are a number of odd features in the map. The labels of Kenya, Tanzania, and Malawi seem to have been shifted upward. More strangely, Ethiopia is mostly included in the new empire, despite being majority-Christian. Perhaps the threshold for inclusion is lower than 50% Muslim?

    In regard to the unlabeled region that is apparently Kurdistan, it seems to be larger than the region that is currently heavily Kurdish. But within the context of the ideology of a new empire, it might be seen as a solution of the “Kurdish problem”: the Kurds get their own “country”, while still being within the Turkish Empire, thus compromising Kurdish nationalism with retaining the Kurds within Turkey.

    Comment by Dale — October 26, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

  43. @1: Such maps are a binary state – the either invoke “sword and flame” or “peace and love”, but they both mean the same thing – “this area under our domination”.

    Comment by Derek L — October 26, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

  44. The US has large bases in many of those regions. Paranoia? You betcha.

    Comment by BigD145 — October 26, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

  45. Theres a line across north eastern siberia that dosen’t seem to match any current borders either. Also, southern Myanmar has apparently declared independence. From being attached to the continent.

    @19 – re geographical inaccuracies:

    They’re pretty weird. I’d expect this kind of map to simply have been drawn onto some existing world map template or something, but this one has a series of changes that are totally unfamiliar and seemingly inexplicable.

    I’ve heard before of the map and Harun Yahya (i’m trying to remember where I read a long and fascinating article on him recently.) and the impression I get is that he’s something of a crackpot involved in more than a few shady through to outright illegal issues, but nothing to suggest an obssession with aggrandizing the Maldives.

    Someone, somewhere, looked at a real world map and decided that on this map they were photoshopping here, Djibouti and Northern Ireland have sunk to the bottom of the sea and various other deformities. Some of it might be accidental,(Misplaced name tags)or just convenient (the deformed archipelagoes of Japan, Phillipines, Indonesia) but some must either be deliberate or the product of a truly staggering and somewhat bizzare ignorance. Which sounds like it might be interesting to know more about.

    I may have thought about this way too much.

    Comment by Tamara — October 26, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

  46. @16: North of the line you’re mentioning there appears to be another shade of yellow as well. To me the line seems to separate the turkish and the non-turkish part, genorously incresing the turkish part by drawing the line very widely south of turkish minority regions (e.g. in Iran Azeri and Turkmen regions) just in the same manner as in the north towards Russia.

    @22 & 42: This seems to explain your points about Iraqi Kurdestan as well – it’s just allocated to the Turkish part, given that the Turcs (ethnically and linguisticly incorrect) refer to the Kurds as “Mountain-Turks).

    Comment by Peter — October 26, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

  47. I’ve got a theory: in the history of the whole world every nation had/have/will have its particular time when it (almost) rules the world or tried it (or at least the nation spread to develop into a wide kingdom)
    so did mongolia, rome, GB, spain, germany, ….

    any pros & cons?

    Comment by Flo — October 26, 2009 @ 9:22 pm

  48. Though West Papua is in a Muslim country, it is mostly Christian.

    Comment by Tamerlane — October 27, 2009 @ 2:32 am

  49. I think Saudi Arabia is more credible to take the leadership role when Pan-Islam is the topic, not Turkey.

    Comment by Duboi — October 27, 2009 @ 7:09 am

  50. Surprised to see they haven’t eaten up Greece as well. That would be the first target I would expect to see.

    Comment by Spiros — October 27, 2009 @ 1:40 pm

  51. @Spiros

    That was my expectation, as well, but as it doesn’t have a significant Muslim population, such as is the case with Bosnia, or much of a Turkish minority, as is the case with Cyprus, they felt it was best to leave it be.

    Poland seems to have benefited more than any other European nation from this Union.

    Comment by Agent5 — October 27, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

  52. @Spiros: I was interested to see how Armenia would be treated. Apparently they are very much not involved (as far as I can see, it’s wedged between yellow Turkey and yellow Azerbaijan)

    Comment by PT — October 27, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

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  55. Hm, Bhutan seems to have eaten eastern India, while China has annexed all of its current territory.

    And is anyone else curious as to what’s going to happen to the east coast of Russia?

    Comment by Zazaban — October 28, 2009 @ 2:42 am

  56. W/R/T the “line” going across Iran, it is the Silk Road, connecting China to the Near East.

    @8: Turkey IS the successor state to the Ottoman Empire. They had the same dominant ethnicity, same language, etc. Considering that the Turkish Republic covers more area than the Ottoman Empire did after signing the Treaty of Sevres, the claim that the former is not a successor state of the latter is hard to believe.

    W/R/T India – I find it unusual that they are claiming the Dravidian areas of southern India and northern Sri Lanka. The Dravidians are neither Turkish nor Muslim…

    Comment by Yinzer — October 28, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

  57. @40: aahh, this has to do with Adnan Oktar?, well that is certainly a completely different kettle of fish from your run-of-the-mill, Enver Pasha style Pan-Turkism…

    Just to nit-pick about the map: the Turkic peoples of Russia are not really in their correct locations (except for a few nations in Siberia they are mostly are Muslim, by the way). Bashkirs and Tatars should actually be much further West, closer to the Russian heartland. Looks like they got traded off for that corridor to Yakutia (bad trade, Adnan Oktar!).

    The Maldives are also apparently bigger than Sri Lanka. Someone please tell the Maldives how to actually do this, as they are sinking into the ocean. Also, apparently most of the Maldives in this version has become non-Muslim

    What is going on with West Africa? Ghana is certainly not majority Muslim…where did that big non-Muslim enclave in Burkina Faso come from? And Nigeria is closer to 50-50. Oh well…

    Comment by Kochevnik81 — October 29, 2009 @ 4:43 am

  58. Emil: A successor state is one which, though constitutionally distinct, assumes the same sovereignty. Among other things, a successor state gets title to assets held by the previous regime as sovereign, such as embassy buildings in foreign countries. Foreign countries recognize the new regime as replacing the old, and conduct business with it.

    For instance, the Republic of China was recognized as the successor regime to the Chinese Empire, after the Chinese Revolution of 1912, and Britain’s lease arrangement for the New Territories of Hong Kong continued with a new partner. The People’s Republic of China was recognized as successor to the RoC, even though a rump of the latter survives; thus when the lease expired, Britain negotiated the hand-over of Hong Kong with the PRC.

    Kemal’s Turkey was clearly the successor state to the Ottoman Empire.

    That was certainly true in the case of Turkey.

    Comment by Rich Rostrom — October 29, 2009 @ 5:08 am

  59. I’ve heard before of the map and Harun Yahya (i’m trying to remember where I read a long and fascinating article on him recently.) and the impression I get is that he’s something of a crackpot involved in more than a few shady through to outright illegal issues, but nothing to suggest an obssession with aggrandizing the Maldives.

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  61. i would love to see statistics on conversions from Islam to Christianity. That would indicate whether Islamic influence in the world is getting stronger, getting weaker, or is staying the same. This map would have to be updated to reflect the conversions.

    By the way, I was under the impression that India was dominated by Hindus and not Muslims. Also, Kazakhstan is roughly 50% Christian and 50% Muslim – hardly a monolith as the map suggests. And in countries of the former Soviet Union, which religion is gaining ground?

    Comment by Bill E. Goatt — October 31, 2009 @ 12:46 am

  62. You people must see, how peaceful country turkey is(!) I haven’t been to other muslim countries but I can see how they are rich and peaceful too(!) Our conservative governtment have divided the people in Turkey by supporting the islamic sides and insulting the secular characteristic of turkey. They had been tring to change secularism into islamic state and it already take the all of the peace in our country. Also we will have no peace till this Islamic visioners’s government leave Turkey. Political Islam doesnt bring peace,, forget it!

    Comment by boudewijn — October 31, 2009 @ 8:28 am

  63. I am not certain, but the coloring on my copy seems to show Cyprus as still divided, as well as the country to the north of Isreal being non-islamic (lebanon? syria?).

    (Strange to see the Turkish Empire extending to the Arctic Ocean near Siberia. Muslim Eskimos?)

    Comment by Tom Tac — October 31, 2009 @ 1:14 pm

  64. (sorry, “Israel”)

    Comment by Tom Tac — October 31, 2009 @ 1:15 pm

  65. Once again. An amateurish map laid out by strangemaps (Ilya Virnaski). How is India a art of the Ummah??? Apparently you said that the the map shows “mega-state combining the Ummah (the lands where Islam dominates)”.

    Well, hate to break it to you but India is 85% Hindu and only 13% Muslim. So how does India figure in it? Come again?

    And if you were including all of India then howcome certain pockets in the east and north east are left out?

    Anyone coming up with the explanation saying that the colored portions represent the muslim majority areas is loony. If they were muslim majority areas then India would be a muslim majority nation as well. And besides, the only muslim majority area is Kashmir and parts of Andhra Pradesh.

    Once again, strangemaps, in an attempt to indulge in what it considers intellectual pursuits has come out looking rather lame and novice in its outlook. Stick to the US and Europe. That’s where you guys can make sense.

    Comment by The Source — November 3, 2009 @ 1:47 am

  66. @The Source – Please try to pay attention next time.

    For everyone else – at least in India, perhaps it excludes (roughly) the state formerly known as Orissa as the only state with less than 5% Muslim population. The same principle could explain Ghana, and careless line drawing probably explains some of the shifts, but I have no idea what’s going on in Lebanon.

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  68. And it’s growing… Canada & United States, Australia are right on schedule, hmmm… maybe they have their eyes on China, India and Japan too?

    Comment by Miguel — November 5, 2009 @ 2:51 am

  69. i do Türk-İslam union believe. but this union in not be excessive arabic,racist,country traitor.world in 2 billion all muslim people exist.Türks 300 million (muslim,christian,shmanistic,nature)religions.TURAN 300 million Türks union countrys but TÜRK-İSLAM 2 billion peoples

    Comment by mustafa — November 5, 2009 @ 11:16 am

  70. Turkey in 80 million,euro 10 mil.,central asia Türk countrys 75 mil.,russia in 25 mil.,china 30 mil.,iran 35 mil.and ıraq,syria,georgia,afghanistan and others countrys total 300 million TÜRK live wold in

    Comment by mustafa — November 5, 2009 @ 11:19 am

  71. This is map is loaded with potential comment flame wars but thats part of the academic process I guess.

    Comment by dbcomputerguy — November 5, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

  72. [...] Fonte [...]

    Pingback by 418 – The Turkish-Islamic Empire « Ammiraglio61's Blog — November 10, 2009 @ 12:16 am

  73. There are some definite goofs here, besides the mislabled countries and misshapen landmasses. In Africa, Ghana, Benin and Togo are only around 10-20% Muslim (and Côte d’Ivoire around 30%), but they’re colored in, as is predominantly Christian Ethiopia. (I’m quite certain that there is no Muslim-majority region in the DR Congo, either.) In Asia, India and the Philippines are colored in despite being overwhelmingly non-Muslim. The creator of the map was a bit sloppy.

    Comment by John — November 11, 2009 @ 2:12 am

  74. Turkey is on the way of unifying forces under the power of Turkish Islamic Union.This is a union of peace,brotherhood,friendship,love. Through this union,by the leadership of Turkey,love and peace will spread to all over the world.The most important feature of the Turkish-Islamic Union is that it embraces Jews, Christians, Armenians and Orthodox Christians with love and affection and respects their religions and beliefs, regarding them as brothers, and produces policies aimed toward their territorial integrity, security, prosperity and well-being. RABBI MENACHEM FROMAN is in Turkey in these days as a guest of ADNAN OKTAR. Rabbi Froman has given a speech on Turkish national channels with Adnan Oktar.(you can find on harunyahya.tv) He emphasizes the importance of this union,Turkish Islamic Union, and he sad that peace will come through this union.Indeed, peace will surround through out Israel Palestine. Like in the days of Ottoman Empire. We understand from hadiths describing end times in detail that the Mahdi has come. It is certain,he is in Istanbul. And Jesus will return back soon.Golden age has been started.

    Comment by bahar — November 12, 2009 @ 8:27 am

  75. Tell me: do countries walk or talk? No, and nor do they ‘come to terms with’ things. They are abstractions. As for their residents, the attitudes any given individual will have to an imperial past is often as much a product of class background as nationality (as Benedict Anderson points out in the seminal ‘Imagined Communities’). Family origin matters too. Many people living in a post-imperial state will have roots in former colonies. You’d think map makers, who are more familiar than most with the transient nature of states, would know better than to talk about them as you have here.

    Comment by Eyoki — November 13, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

  76. @ bahar (post #74)

    Interesting…. Have you compared your notes with Robert Spencer?

    http://www.jihadwatch.org

    Comment by Bill E. Goatt — November 13, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

  77. @bahar

    You crazy mohammedan nutcase.

    Comment by cvncv — November 19, 2009 @ 5:18 am

  78. Do you know the Cape Arabic language?
    The Ottoman wrote a Koran.
    His advisers.
    The Cape Malays.

    Comment by Faust — November 22, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

  79. [...] More religiously motivated writers like Adnan Oktar speak glowingly of Turkey as the linchpin of a Turkish-Islamic Empire. (See interesting and disturbing map here.) [...]

    Pingback by The rise of Turkey | Nick Uva — November 23, 2009 @ 3:48 am

  80. good i will bookmark it

    Comment by mohamed shosha — November 24, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

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